me too brother!
** Your NEA102 build **
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me too brother!
Fair enough
Like keymod but a different locking system and better.
Interesting, this page: https://www.iwa.info/en/ausstellerprodukte/iwa17/product-9816529/nea25-18-dmr says the NEA 25 rifles are 7lb 3oz, which should be very close to what the NEA 102 is. That seems pretty light weight actually.
Hunter1970
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Build:
Geissele SD-E trigger (hopefully will work). Magpul K2+ grip. I have a Burris XTR II in 4-20, but probably will stick with the 3x9 Zeiss for size/weight considerations. Muzzle will wear a Precision Armament Flash Comp, but the parts bin has a first gen Efin' A, Lantac Dragon, and a couple of other 30 cal wears in it as well to try.
I can't wait to have it in hand so the mix and match can begin.
Geissele SD-E trigger (hopefully will work). Magpul K2+ grip. I have a Burris XTR II in 4-20, but probably will stick with the 3x9 Zeiss for size/weight considerations. Muzzle will wear a Precision Armament Flash Comp, but the parts bin has a first gen Efin' A, Lantac Dragon, and a couple of other 30 cal wears in it as well to try.
I can't wait to have it in hand so the mix and match can begin.
Runningfool
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Not sure what you mean by "the magpul one" but there are integral qd sling mounts on the hand guard and stock.
Must be that brake! Lol. I read that as well, if they are the same and the specs are accurate these could be pretty decent rifles, especially for the money.
You guys have to understand that the GII or G2 from Remington/DPMS is extremely innovative. That 90's heavy as heck handguard is ridiculous on that rifle. It's why when you go to a modern handguard you lose 1/2 a pound or more. Which puts your medium profile SS barreled rifle at 8 pounds or less. The BCG is significantly lighter, the lower is shorter at AR15ish length etc. You save weight all over that rifle. Without having to go to carbon fiber or minimalist furniture etc. You easily obtain that weight with the GII while not trying. It is however with a 16" barrel. You have to pay a lot and or make a lot of compromises with a regular AR10/AR308 rifle to try and get down to those weights.
As C5 mentions the original had polymer or bakerlite or whatever furniture, along with a number of other weight saving options that wouldn't be met with very well in today's market. In fact that super light experimental barrel cost them the competition and allowed the M14 to become the shortest serving US military rifle.
Most of these rifles aren't carbines for CQB etc, unlike their AR15 children. They are usually DM or precision rifles. Forget everything you read on those Modern Hunter threads. Most of it was frankly garbage from the attempt to paint other AR308 rifles as a "battle rifle" and not precision rifles etc to the special ammo voodoo for a semi auto precision rifle. Since 2004/2005 Canada, USA, UK etc have been using these as DM rifles. The first ones were very heavy.
AR10T (DND) used by our sniper's spotters in Afghanistan around 2004 and on:
These things have 24" barrels and that badger handguard. A fully kitted rifle of these types are in the 16+- pound range. They aren't light and they aren't for carbine rifle use. They are semi auto precision rifles.
The weight has come down on these. But ultimately it's the furniture, barrels etc that have brought that down. As the upper/lower BCG etc are still the same as those ones that were fielded in 2004/2005 (maybe slightly heavier with the ambi features/forward assists etc). The current military contracts called for 9 pounds unloaded. That's right, the up to date weight for these rifles is 9 pounds. Not under 8 pounds. Now maybe some can see what's so special about the GII rifles. Well that and the fact that the GII feels like an AR15 when your'e behind it. The AR10/AR308 doesn't.
Which brings us to the NEA102. It's non restricted status is due to it being based of the original design. There's not much you can do with the upper/lower, BCG etc. So again your weight savings are in the furniture. 9 pounds empty without optics is a realistic minimal compromises weight. Otherwise you're using flimsy handguards that hit the gas block, lame looking stocks and super thin barrels that heat up quick.
Anyways, I'm sure there will be tons of cool variations etc with these once people get them. But just keep in mind what they are as a base. It might keep expectations realistic. Or at least the realization that you will need to compromise if you want to depart from the out of the box configuration.
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That seems more realistic. 7.3 seems more ar-15-ish. I am fine with that. Remember before you whiners start whining, that it has a medium contour barrel, and full length aluminium handguard. I would suspect they will come out with a model with a light profile barrel. If it had a plastic handguard and a light profile barrel, it would probably be closer to 8.5lbs.
Queue the people complaining in 3 2 1...
Any more info you have to share Brian46?
No, I asked about a light profile version and got no answer on that.
If they make a version that comes in well under 8lbs and NR, I will buy, until then my ACR with Remington 30AR conversion will hold that spot
Sunchild2071
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If I wanted an AR-15, I would have likely bought a few by now. Not interested in the slightest. Actually, have been contemplating if I should, Just as a basic FU to our masters, or at least those who think they are.
I'm comfortable with the weight. I'm comfortable with the design and concept. It is the calibre I want. I'm in. Even got the color I want, on order.
I really don't give two sh!ts about hearing a field report from some of the NEA bashers around here. As obviously a bias exists already, so a report from such types hold no merit in my view.
I'll trust what happens in my hands.
Canadian company. Enough said for me. Back when I was in my old days, I'd spend this much in a weekend, lowering my net life expectancy by multiple means and bad habits.
Worst case scenario - this turns out to be trash. So what, a few days pay for a cool piece of art for my wall. It'll start getting good, when the shipping notice comes.
Never dealt with SFRC before, but everything I see leads me to believe this Ryan is a stand up guy. He sees something here. People have put effort into this. I can support it.
I'm comfortable with the weight. I'm comfortable with the design and concept. It is the calibre I want. I'm in. Even got the color I want, on order.
I really don't give two sh!ts about hearing a field report from some of the NEA bashers around here. As obviously a bias exists already, so a report from such types hold no merit in my view.
I'll trust what happens in my hands.
Canadian company. Enough said for me. Back when I was in my old days, I'd spend this much in a weekend, lowering my net life expectancy by multiple means and bad habits.
Worst case scenario - this turns out to be trash. So what, a few days pay for a cool piece of art for my wall. It'll start getting good, when the shipping notice comes.
Never dealt with SFRC before, but everything I see leads me to believe this Ryan is a stand up guy. He sees something here. People have put effort into this. I can support it.
Bought lots of guns from SFRC they have been solid for me.
The mounting system on these is MLOK right? What would be our options for a sling attachment point? I am aware of the magpul one, but other than that?
Also, this thread is silly without photos so:
I'm a little late to the party but thanks for posting these
Nightforce NXS 1-4×24
ATRS Rings
BRAKEOUT 2.0 51T COMPENSATOR ( that factory brake looks like absolute trash )
Geissele AR10 trigger (if it fits )
BCM Furniture
Custom M-Lok Handguard
Will send entire Upper and lower to get a once over at the machine shop and have that ugly bird milled off the side
Cerakote black
Atlas bipod
Should be a pretty decent hunting rig with that setup. Now Im just waiting for the beta tester to report all the problems and issues they find and which parts will and won't fit.
Maybe this'll help with some questions on which parts fit:
https://www.facebook.com/#################/posts/1351276781630523
(I think you have to be logged into Facebook or log in for the link to work, but otherwise you can scroll down on Gun Owner's of Canada's page to find the post which was made on the 19th.)
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7 pound is a light weight AR-15, there is no way we will ever see one of these full size rifles that light unless someone goes full retard on it and pretty much changes it over to light weight furniture and pencil barrel and skeletonizes the upper and lower receivers. The difference is that your 30AR while one of the best rounds so far as a 30cal AR-15 action compatible cartridge is not as good as a 308 if you intend to hunt with it. I'm not sure what you meant when you said earlier that it keeps up to a 308win out to 400 yards with the same weight bullet. That statement doesn't make a lot of sense since if it did it would keep up out to 800 but if you are missing a few hundred FPS then it's not keeping up and you're losing out on bullet expansion and flatter trajectory that the 308 would provide with the same bullet. It may be a very effective round out to 200-300 yards but it is not a 308win and I wouldn't be hunting anything other than deer, yotes or pigs with it. I'd love a 30AR conversion for my ACR but I wouldn't compare it to a 308 Winchester at any range.
Just did some more reading on the 30AR and it seems like 125gr projectiles at around 2800fps is what it was intended to use which is pretty impressive for a deer or yote rifle but a little light for bigger game, but when going to 150gr projectiles you're 200fps slower than a 308win which isn't a lot but it will hinder downrange effectiveness (bullet expansion and penetration) on game.
Damn you, now I'd like one of those to go along with my 300BLK conversion, lol.
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