I think they're great. I started out with one with iron sights and it shoot so well at 200 yards that I had to scope it to see just how accurate it was. It shoots very well with 308 hunting ammo. I missed the iron sights so I bought another one and have installed NM front sight, rear aperture and a garand rear sight mechanism on it. Its a lot of fun hitting a gong at 200 yards with it. With surplus ammo the results are somewhat variable and disappointing. 3" to 6" groups at 100 yard, depending on the ammo. With standard Federal 150 grain ammo it shoots under 1.5" at 100 yards. It shoots about that at 200 with the Federal Premium vital shok ammo. Really impressed. Used it as my backup gun for deer hunting last year and ended up shooting one with it. Just fine for sitting at a covered stand. Needs a good tactical sling if you are going to walk with it. Put on a cheek rest if you are going to use a scope.