Yukon Grizzly hunt spring 2006

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It might just be me, but if I were Casull(Rob) I would be explaining myself, or atleast telling the story the way it happened. If it was an honest mistake made by a few good guys that come here regularly(which I dont think happened) time to spill the beans.

From what I read in the article, they had bad luck in the area that they were hunting and supposed to be in. Decided to take a bear in an area that they were not supposed to be with the tag they had.

IMO that bear was poached and they got off real easy.

If anyone here thinks that because they are good guys and they deserve a break, time to give your head a shake.

Poachers are poachers no matter who they are. They new what they did was wrong, they got charged for it.

Those pics and the story were taken down almost a year ago for a reason and the people involved knew it. After being charged and convicted of a crime like poaching, it will be pretty hard to convince me that they are "good guys".

I have seen bighorn rams that most people would dream of taking including myself. They were a few hundread yards from the border of where I had a tag, but no matter how I looked at it they were not legal to take. If I took one and got caught, I would be a poacher.

Where do we as hunters draw the line? If you are a "good guy" and f**k up bigtime we will give you a break because we like you as a person :confused:
 
Win94 said:
....................everyone makes mistakes.

.....................have you always walked on water in your life??
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Poaching is no mistake. Just because you like them we had all better give them a break right? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

They got off easy, enough said.

BTW, If it was someone that wasnt from this board or someone no one liked the majority of people here would want them to pay dearly for thier actions. The lynch mob would be all over them.
 
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Salty said:
It was given as evidence court that they met here. The reporter figured out the rest. No?
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Makes sense, I guess the reporter just couldn't pass up using the phrase "gunnutz" instead of the usual "met on an Internet site"?
 
Makes sense, I guess the reporter just couldn't pass up using the phrase "gunnutz" instead of the usual "met on an Internet site"?
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.................a million names could have been chosen for this site and the one chosen has the word Nutz in it. I have always thought the named sucked. Sounds like a bunch of teenagers got together and made a website.
 
Let's face it guys, all of us make mistakes. It's what we do afterwards to make things right that counts.

In this month's Outdoor Canada Fishing guide there is an article in which the author tells the story of how he made a mistake and had actually caught and kept fish that were out of season. He did the right thing by driving over to the local CO office and turned himself in. He got a $250 fine and not much else. Now maybe this guys motives were a little skewed as if he would have been caught, he would have likely lost his job as a outdoor writer. But he still did the right thing.

These two hunters who were/are members of CGN made a mistake. We don;t know the circumstances behind the situation. Was it intentional or was it simply a mistake? Likely the only people who can answer those questions are themselves.

While I agree the sporting community can do without poachers and the bad publicity they bring, we can't lump them all together and say their all bad people. Look at the author of that article, according to the law he is a poacher, but in my books he's just a guy who screwed up. His actions were not deliberate.

I'd rather wait to hear these guys out before we give the execution order.
 
DarrylDB said:
Two fine guys made a bad (albiet GREY) choice, and got f**ked for it...
HOw far is "Far from their approved hunting grounds" they could have been 10 yards over an unmarked boundry line...

For anyone who's hunted up near algonquin or anywhere where there isnt a "DEFINATE" Mark for line, this could be you...

All you f**king clowns passing judgement from a 275 word article...
quick to pass judgement without actual facts. we all know how factual reporters are.
Im ending this before i say somehting that will get me banned...
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I've seen good guys get washed up by hearsay before, and dont want to see it again... facts before judgement, and that article didnt contain any pertinent to be able to pass judgement...
 
gth:
I think that cost is certainly very high,maybe because of a fairly high concentration of good bears, as the zone starts is right accross the HWY from Kluane national park
 
gth said:
The area where they shot the bear is the exclusive hunting area of Devilhole Outfitters. A hunt with Devilhole would cost about $25,000, the court was told.


I think this little gem pisses me off more than a poached bear.
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According to what I read, that only applies to non-resident hunters. Anybody from the YT is this, indeed, true?
 
We as resident hunters can hunt in that zone, you just can't guide anyone in that area.They are sort of particular as to where you can guide a canadian resident for grizzly.
 
grit said:
We as resident hunters can hunt in that zone, you just can't guide anyone in that area.They are sort of particular as to where you can guide a canadian resident for grizzly.
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So if the Yukon resident took and tagged the bear all is well eh?

From the evidence it sounds like it started out this way and then they switched to the Albertan's tag and said the bear was taken elsewhere at inspection time :(
 
An article with a little more detailed information.

http://w ww.whitehorsestar.com/auth.php?r=45767

Man fined, prohibited from hunting

By STEPHANIE WADDELL

An Alberta man has been banned from hunting in the Yukon for seven years and ordered to pay $1,500.
Territorial court Judge John Faulkner made the order today after Richard Graves’ lawyer, Ed Horembala, changed his client’s plea from not guilty to guilty on a charge of hunting grizzly bear in a zone where he wasn’t permitted.
Graves, a resident of Wetaskawin, Alta., was not present in court this morning.
Further Wildlife Act charges around the incident dating back to last May were stayed.
Crown prosecutor Lee Kirkpatrick brought forward an agreed statement of fact reached by the defence and Crown.
Kirkpatrick told the court that last May, Graves was being guided on a hunt by a Yukoner in an area where there was another designated outfitter for the zone.
Outside residents aren’t allowed to hunt there without the outfitter.
On the way back to Whitehorse, Graves and his guide placed the Yukoner’s hunting tag on the grizzly in case they were stopped, Kirkpatrick said.
They later put Graves’ tag on the bear and reported the kill to the territorial Department of Environment offices, although officials were told it happened in another zone.
Graves paid a $500-trophy fee for the kill.
In bringing forward the joint submission for the fine and prohibition, Kirkpatrick noted that Graves had entered an early guilty plea and hadn’t sought the return of the grizzly bear carcass.
Horembala also indicated Graves was willing to abide by a seven-year prohibition on hunting in the Yukon.
The total fine was set at $4,000 in total, taken from the $500-trophy fee, the value of the gun and scope forfeited at $2,000 and the remaining $1,500 to be paid immediately.
It was also agreed there would be no victim surcharge in the case.
Horembala noted Graves is 46 and a fifth-generation Alberta farmer, though he now works in bullet-making.
He is also married with two children, one who is attending university and another who is in Grade 12.


John
 
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grit said:
We as resident hunters can hunt in that zone, you just can't guide anyone in that area.They are sort of particular as to where you can guide a canadian resident for grizzly.
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Thanks for the info. If thats the only law they broke than I cant say I'm very upset with them.

Outfitter camps tend to burn down a lot around here. And I cant say I'm very upset with the people that do that either.
 
Here here Greg, I cant agree more...


Sounds like Beurocracy got them, and judging from the way the fines and charges were handed out, It seems the crown agreed.
 
I don't really understand some of these comments:confused:


Poaching is poaching, it was a conscious decision to try and deceive the authorities on this one.They got caught and personally I think it looks good on them.

Personally I think they should have had their trucks, boats, and campers seized.

Bottom line for me is they poached a grizzly bear and I hope karma comes back 100 fold for them.

I too would like to hear Casull's or Bulletsmith's response to this one but I seriously doubt they'll chime up.:rolleyes:

Pickles
 
I am not going to comment on the incident or the party involved but I do want to warn everyone who partakes in this thread that a lot of eyes may be on this site and this thread in particular. Be very careful in what you say for there is enough bad publicity as is and what you say potentially can do additional harm.

Don't let it break out into a infighting thread what ever you do.
 
Pickles said:
I don't really understand some of these comments:confused:


Poaching is poaching, it was a conscious decision to try and deceive the authorities on this one.They got caught and personally I think it looks good on them.

Personally I think they should have had their trucks, boats, and campers seized.

Bottom line for me is they poached a grizzly bear and I hope karma comes back 100 fold for them.

I too would like to hear Casull's or Bulletsmith's response to this one but I seriously doubt they'll chime up.:rolleyes:

Pickles
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Bottom line? were you in court? Obviously not....
Im pretty sure they got off easy for a reason, maybe becasue the charges were nothing more than beaurocratic BS...
Let me explain this for you...
The only thing they did wrong was stumble on to someone elses monopoly...

I heard of a group that were charged a few years ago for shooting a bull moose just inside of the Algonquin park boundry... (The rumour was like 100 meters in) The boundry isnt marked, you would have to be a cartography wiz, or have a Mapping GPS to know, but apparently were charged none the less... That be native hunting territory

Another case of the same, but different...
 
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