Z-M Weapons LR 300 Rifles

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Z-M Weapons LR 300 Rifles

Are the above available in Canada? I have never seen one but am curious nevertheless.

By my reckoning they should be OK for import (16.5" barrel, semi-auto), but would doubtless be restricted.

Maybe it's the folding stock that's keeping them from getting across the border?

On another note, has anyone tried one in the US? Heard any dope or read any reviews?

Cheers!

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Hokus Grey said:
Para Ordnance is now building this rifle.

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I don't think there's been any word on them coming Canada yet.
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Cool, thanks. I noticed something about them producing a version but didn't know they had taken over the design.

Seems they are marketing it as the "Tactical Target Rifle", with a somewhat higher MSRP.

Para (-Ordnance) has a Canadian division so perhaps we'll get lucky... assuming it's worth owning that is :p.

Cheers
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I've been thinking for a while that it wouldn't be hard to create an upper for an AR-180B or XCR that use AR barrels, bolts and a modified gas system that allows the bolt carriers to be chopped. Had been looking at the Olympic Arms OA-93. This is done in the same way, but is packaged far more elegantly.

The LR-300 rifle is gas operated, and utilizes modified Stoner-type direc gas imingement system. In this modified system, the gas key is extended forward to form the tube, that protrudes forward from the receiver and into the handguard. The protruding part of the gas key tube is used to host the bolt return spring, which is placed between the front receiver wall and the collar at the front of the gas key tube. The gas tube, which runs rearward from the gas block / front sight base, is strengthened as its rear end floats freely to enter the extended gas key tube when bolt group is in the battery. That way, at least some of the hot gases from inside the gas karrier are expelled outside the receiver and into the inner handguard area, through the extended gas key tube, once it has left the gas tube during the bolt group recoil movement. Additional benefit of this system is that it allows the bolt carrier to be made twice as short compared to the standard AR-15-type bolt carrier. In turn, this results in the fact that there's no need for the recoil buffer tube, which is normally protruding backward from the AR-15-type lower receiver. Because of this feature, most LR-300 rifles are fitted with side-folding shoulder stocks, either sceletonized non-adjustableones made from metal or polymer ones, adjustable for length of pull. Otherwise the LR-300 is similar to the AR-15-type weapons and has similar trigger / safety arrangements, magazine housing and bolt stop device.
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Well technically, it's using a modified impingement so it's not a pure AR-15, it's more like an AR-180. There's no buffer tube, and the gas system, bolt and bolt carrier are different.

I've read a lot and talked to guys that run this rifle hard, and it's very reliable, has a bit less felt recoil, and is as accurate as a good AR. It has the added benefit of not getting carrier tilt and subsequent carrier break as piston-modified ARs. They're a bit heavier than standard ARs, but they're an excellent and improved design that is in every way highly respectable.

They're worth it, and IMO, they SHOULD NOT BE restricted but Canadian gun laws often defy logic.
 
Getting export permits could be a problem. I've had applications denied on other AR's for having a threaded muzzles with flashhiders. The stock could be a problem too. It'll cost somebody $250 USD application fee to find out.
 
Meph said:
Well technically, it's using a modified impingement so it's not a pure AR-15, it's more like an AR-180. There's no buffer tube, and the gas system, bolt and bolt carrier are different.

I've read a lot and talked to guys that run this rifle hard, and it's very reliable, has a bit less felt recoil, and is as accurate as a good AR. It has the added benefit of not getting carrier tilt and subsequent carrier break as piston-modified ARs. They're a bit heavier than standard ARs, but they're an excellent and improved design that is in every way highly respectable.

They're worth it, and IMO, they SHOULD NOT BE restricted but Canadian gun laws often defy logic.
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Super, thanks. I was wondering if they were A: actually used anywhere and B: if so, how they hold up.

Agreed about your take on their status as an AR, I just didn't want to get into it with the previous poster. Different operating system = different (or derivative) rifle, but whatever - it's a moot point since it would be restricted by barrel length anyhow.

Theoretically one could swap barrels to avoid this... but I am certain the fact that it can be dropped on a standard AR15 lower would gain it "variant" status and prevent it from ever being classed as non-restricted, sucky though that may be :rolleyes:.

Thanks again! Cheers
 
Kodiak Outpost said:
Getting export permits could be a problem. I've had applications denied on other AR's for having a threaded muzzles with flashhiders. The stock could be a problem too. It'll cost somebody $250 USD application fee to find out.
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Yes agreed, you would need to pin or weld the F/H - although there are sure as sh!t more than a few threaded AR barrels in Canada that have come from the States. Their export process is pretty inconsistent I hear...

I think the stock would be a problem, I suppose Robinson Armaments could shed some light on that inre: their XCR folding stocks.

Doesn't it need an uhhh... # (forgot what they're called, FRT#?) before it can be approved on our side of the border?

Thanks for the info!
 
The ZM rifle was one of my favourite carbines to shoot... I put a few thousand rounds through one when I was away... When it was first given to me to use, it had never been cleaned...never... they just kept spraying BreakFree into it when it started to slug out...

After the first afternoon, I spent about 2 hours cleaning the built up crap out of the gun... the first 30 minutes was trying to take it apart without breaking anything... If memory serves it used 2 disks to retain the spring bolt an carrier assembly... the upper is backwards in that the spring isn't compressed on firing - it's stretched, then it pulls the bolt back into position for firing...weird, but once cleaned and lubed the system worked great.

Mine didn't have the folding stock, but more of a tubular thing. A single point prototype ZM bungee sling, and an ACOG 4x32 on top...Great little gun if your the shooter... people beside me were whapped with a wave of sound like a clap of thunder - had a funky muzzle break on it. Accuracy wise, I was making 300 meter head shots without issue...

I went on the hunt for one when we came home, but I wasn't able to find any... I think that one the police agencies in southern Ontario bought a bunch, but didn't like them... their loss - probably ended up being chopped to pieces... (sinful)

Cheers

M
 
stormtrooper1015 said:
The ZM rifle was one of my favourite carbines to shoot... I put a few thousand rounds through one when I was away... When it was first given to me to use, it had never been cleaned...never... they just kept spraying BreakFree into it when it started to slug out...

After the first afternoon, I spent about 2 hours cleaning the built up crap out of the gun... the first 30 minutes was trying to take it apart without breaking anything... If memory serves it used 2 disks to retain the spring bolt an carrier assembly... the upper is backwards in that the spring isn't compressed on firing - it's stretched, then it pulls the bolt back into position for firing...weird, but once cleaned and lubed the system worked great.

Mine didn't have the folding stock, but more of a tubular thing. A single point prototype ZM bungee sling, and an ACOG 4x32 on top...Great little gun if your the shooter... people beside me were whapped with a wave of sound like a clap of thunder - had a funky muzzle break on it. Accuracy wise, I was making 300 meter head shots without issue...

I went on the hunt for one when we came home, but I wasn't able to find any... I think that one the police agencies in southern Ontario bought a bunch, but didn't like them... their loss - probably ended up being chopped to pieces... (sinful)

Cheers

M
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Awesome, thanks! Carbines that don't need to be cleaned are definitely my style :p. I am going to dig around and see what I can find out about getting one here. Glad to hear you can get a fixed stock for it, probably one could just install a standard fixed AR stock for export. How do I know if there is an FRT(?)# so it can be registered in Canada?
Thanks again for the great info, cheers!

PS: Cops chopping guns makes baby Jesus cry! :eek:
 
Agreed about your take on their status as an AR, I just didn't want to get into it with the previous poster. Different operating system = different (or derivative) rifle, but whatever - it's a moot point since it would be restricted by barrel length anyhow.

Theoretically one could swap barrels to avoid this... but I am certain the fact that it can be dropped on a standard AR15 lower would gain it "variant" status and prevent it from ever being classed as non-restricted, sucky though that may be .
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The length of the barrel and the method of operation are completely irrelevant.

If one were to strip down an LR3000 lower receiver and an AR15 receiver and compare the two, they would be IDENTICAL because they are the same firearm. Canadian firearms law defines the lower receiver of an AR15 as the gun. It doesn't matter one bit what you attach to the top of that receiver, the resulting thing is still a restricted AR15.

The following would still be classed as a restricted AR15 rifle because they all use an AR15 lower receiver. These are not variants in our law. They ARE an AR15 because they use an AR15 lower receiver.

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Yes, I realize that the LR-300 lower is an AR15 receiver and that the lower is the registered part of the firearm in Canada. I was referring to the upper as a variant (I am not in court). Like I said, I don't want to get "into it" (a semantic / legalese debate that is). When I do, I'll start a "what constitutes an AR variant" thread and be sure you know about it :p. I'm not sure what your point is (as related to my topic), but thanks for the input nonetheless. That said, do you have anything to add about the LR-300? Ever shot one? Know of any reviews?
Thanks, and cheers! :D
 
I think I've just #### myself laughing. Oh the crossbow = AR15

it's funny cause it's true.

What's the price tag on one of these LR-300?



Suputin said:
The length of the barrel and the method of operation are completely irrelevant.

If one were to strip down an LR3000 lower receiver and an AR15 receiver and compare the two, they would be IDENTICAL because they are the same firearm. Canadian firearms law defines the lower receiver of an AR15 as the gun. It doesn't matter one bit what you attach to the top of that receiver, the resulting thing is still a restricted AR15.

The following would still be classed as a restricted AR15 rifle because they all use an AR15 lower receiver. These are not variants in our law. They ARE an AR15 because they use an AR15 lower receiver.

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Because of the way it's designed to be disassembled to expose the piston, I've always wondered about the ability of that top rail to hold a zero.
 
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