Zastava M57 shooting low

[serbinator]

took out my tokarev for the second time, it shot really low just like the first time.. group size was tight but all of my shots went a few inches below center when i was aiming at center. any thoughts on how to fix this?

 

[Cone_Skid_Cone]

Not an expert, but looking at pictures it doesn't look like the sights are adjustable. Afro-engineering would look at lowering the front site as I can't see an easy way to raise the rear site. What sort of distance were you shooting at?

 

[gnmontey]

Aim higher! Are you putting the bull on top of the sights?

Most combat pistols are calibrated in such a manner that you must cover your intended POI.

M

 

[wbaad]

What ammo? Also there are different Height rear sights for these guns

 

[serbinator]

What ammo? Also there are different Height rear sights for these guns

czech surplus, i was aiming dead center of my target at 10 yards, how can i tell what sight i have? are there aftermarket sights for this?

 

[wbaad]

czech surplus, i was aiming dead center of my target at 10 yards, how can i tell what sight i have? are there aftermarket sights for this?

I'm not sure about aftermarket, but there should be a number on the rear sight. My russian is marked with a 2.

 

[serbinator]

I'm not sure about aftermarket, but there should be a number on the rear sight. My russian is marked with a 2.

i think my rear sight is on backwards lol, there is line that looks like a | in the middle, and its facing forward.. lol

the side thats facing the front looks almost the same as the sight above. mine does not have that circle on the top right corner. so when i look down the sights of my m57, that side ^^ is facing towards the front of the gun. would a reversed sight cause my aim to be low?

 

[serbinator]

so anyone know how to file the front site on these guns???

 

[polaris]

so anyone know how to file the front site on these guns???

carefully!

file a bit and shoot it to see if it's enough, very easy.
just remember, you can always file more, but you can't put it back if you filed too much.

 

[polaris]

i think my rear sight is on backwards lol, there is line that looks like a | in the middle, and its facing forward.. lol

the side thats facing the front looks almost the same as the sight above. mine does not have that circle on the top right corner. so when i look down the sights of my m57, that side ^^ is facing towards the front of the gun. would a reversed sight cause my aim to be low?

No, you sight was installed correctly.

 

[A&Shuntr]

I would try different ammo first before you take a file to the front sight.

 

[serbinator]

tried norinco new production ammo last weekend.. same thing i am aiming at the top of an ipsc target and its literally a good 10-12 inches low.. this is at 30 feet btw. i bought the gun "new/unfired" from a CGN member on here who had a good trader rating...

 

[bobbynewmark]

have another person shoot it to confirm.. or bore site perhaps?

 

[Hitzy]

File it slowly at the range until you are satisfied where it's hitting.
Cold blue the top if the blade when you get home.

 

[sailor723]

Are you shooting from a rest?

There is a formula for how much to change a sight depending on how much you want to move the POI. I believe it is (all in inches). Amount you want to move POI times the sight radius divided by distance to target. It worked for a beretta where I had to take the front sight down .069"

 

[deemoney]

At least your front sight was not lose mine wouldn't hold a group looked at the front sight and it was about to fall off. I re peened it hopefully it will hold a group now.

 

[wbaad]

I wonder what the original distance these things were set up for? The front sights look a lot taller on the 57 than the TT. Rear looks about average.
I would file down a little bit at a time until it's good and then reblue.
Anybody else have the same gun?
Quick google search brings up lots of people with 10" low and left problems.... This is odd

 

[sgt.rock]

what weight bullet is that Czech surplus? I know these and other surplus that shoot crazy low if you use a different weight bullet than they were designed for. I think if it shoots low, the bullet is probably too light. This , combined with an improper front sight height may contribute to the problem you describe. Is this 7.62x25 or 9mm?

 

[BCRider]

There's a trick to use with the file to ensure a ramp on the top that faces away from your eye for the best appearance.

For starters field strip the gun each time for this work. Removing the frame and barrel gives you a lot more control over your hold while filing the front blade.

Lay a longer smooth cut file on the bench and put a 1/8 inch thick hard and slippery spacer block on one end of the face of the file so that it covers roughly 1/3 of the teeth. Then lay the slide top down on the file with the rear sight resting on the smooth spacer and the front blade on the teeth of the file. Then with some care to hold the rear sight against the spacer push the front against the teeth to cut a small amount of metal away.

The first time around you need to keep going until you remove the highest point. Once there test shoot. Remove two or three small strokes worth of metal between test groups until the front sight is short enough that you're hitting where you are aiming.

The spacer will tilt the slide and ensure that the upper line of the front sight ramps away from the sighting line so you only see the rear edge of the blade. And that's what you're after. Holding the rear sight top edge against the spacer ensures that the file cut is level instead of angled to the side.

 

[serbinator]

Are you shooting from a rest?

There is a formula for how much to change a sight depending on how much you want to move the POI. I believe it is (all in inches). Amount you want to move POI times the sight radius divided by distance to target. It worked for a beretta where I had to take the front sight down .069"

havent tried it from rest yet.

have another person shoot it to confirm.. or bore site perhaps?

a friend of mine tried it and same thing with him shoots very low.

what weight bullet is that Czech surplus? I know these and other surplus that shoot crazy low if you use a different weight bullet than they were designed for. I think if it shoots low, the bullet is probably too light. This , combined with an improper front sight height may contribute to the problem you describe. Is this 7.62x25 or 9mm?

7.62x25, i tried norinco new production from canada ammo and czech surplus on stripper clips.

There's a trick to use with the file to ensure a ramp on the top that faces away from your eye for the best appearance.

For starters field strip the gun each time for this work. Removing the frame and barrel gives you a lot more control over your hold while filing the front blade.

Lay a longer smooth cut file on the bench and put a 1/8 inch thick hard and slippery spacer block on one end of the face of the file so that it covers roughly 1/3 of the teeth. Then lay the slide top down on the file with the rear sight resting on the smooth spacer and the front blade on the teeth of the file. Then with some care to hold the rear sight against the spacer push the front against the teeth to cut a small amount of metal away.

The first time around you need to keep going until you remove the highest point. Once there test shoot. Remove two or three small strokes worth of metal between test groups until the front sight is short enough that you're hitting where you are aiming.

The spacer will tilt the slide and ensure that the upper line of the front sight ramps away from the sighting line so you only see the rear edge of the blade. And that's what you're after. Holding the rear sight top edge against the spacer ensures that the file cut is level instead of angled to the side.

i have never filed the front sights before and im kinda paranoid about doing this.. is there anwhere in ontario where i can get a 7.62x25 laser boresight and take it to a smith?