Zastave Z5 Rifle

Hi supernova,

The one I got is clearly marked Zastava on the left side of the receiver with NP22 on the barrel, it's not the Remington. Mine came with two 5 round mags and I think it is imported by Baikal.

I agree most of the metal is quite nice looking for a rifle in this price range, but the ejection port on mine looks like it was hand filed; and with a rough file, too. Also, it looks like the barrel was a bit overtimed. The rear sight is not level with the scope grooves on the receiver.

I wanted to upload a pic to Photobucket, but I just spend 45 minutes trying with no success. But I can say that the checkering is quite amateurish with unfinished borders and overruns. The butt stock looks and feels like it was finished with 60 gritt paper and it is of a reddish color from the ejection port back and yellowish from there on.

Mine also seems to have a pretty tight chamber, so I have high hopes that it will shoot. If it does, I would not mind at all the nitpickings above. And I think it will. :)
 
Well mine's a keeper, forgot my rest and sandbags so had to use a bipod which I never found the greatest for bench shooting. Was holding groups from 1-2" at 100m consistantly with both kinds of ammo I had....next trip ill be prepared with my rest and bags.
 
Got mine out to the range today. Was a little windy but gave it a go anyway. 5 shot groups from a bipod and rear bag
Cci mini mag hp, Sk standard +, Federal target. I think it did alright. Shoots about the same as my cz455.

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Not bad hometownhero, it certainly seems to be a fun rifle for the price. However, I have an old Husqvarna single shot from Tradex that shoots better groups than that at 50m, even with its $hitty trigger. In fact, I can shoot groups like those with my stock barrel 10/22 and even tighter groups when I mount my Kidd heavy barrel on it. So yes, a good rifle for the price, but nothing to write home about specially when spare parts might be hard to find if needed.

I just came back from a unsuccessful week of moose hunting, so haven't had the opportunity to shoot mine, yet. I hope I'll get a chance next weekend. If I get good groups like yours, I might post a target here. If not, there'll be no point to it. :)
 
Gun Lover said:
Not bad hometownhero, it certainly seems to be a fun rifle for the price. However, I have an old Husqvarna single shot from Tradex that shoots better groups than that at 50m, even with its $hitty trigger. In fact, I can shoot groups like those with my stock barrel 10/22 and even tighter groups when I mount my Kidd heavy barrel on it. So yes, a good rifle for the price, but nothing to write home about specially when spare parts might be hard to find if needed.

I just came back from a unsuccessful week of moose hunting, so haven't had the opportunity to shoot mine, yet. I hope I'll get a chance next weekend. If I get good groups like yours, I might post a target here. If not, there'll be no point to it. :)
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Its as good as my cz and cil 171. For most of my guns if it smacks a gopher Im happy.
 
Just take it apart and have a look. You can also adjust creep and IIRC overtravel too. Mine is now the lightest trigger I own. I dont know who adjusted mine from the factory but Ive had SKS' with nicer triggers... Glad it was easy to adjust, now its amazing. I was also surprised to find they are pressure bedded about the same as a 10/22, except with a pressure pad in the barrel channel.
 
Alright, I finally got a chance to test fire mine and it's not what I was expecting. I got A LOT of misfires, failures to feed, failures to eject and three or four stuck cases. I wasn't a happy camper! I couldn't seriously test its accuracy, so I only did it informally while function testing it.

I first tried Lapua SK ammo, which shoots very nicely in all my other 22's, but I think I got more than a dozen misfires with it. After checking the fired cases I saw very light firing pin marks, which I'm sure cause the misfires. Accuracy at about 20 mts resting the rifle on a tripod while standing was about 3 to 3.5 inches for 5 shots with open sights. I can usually do much better than that.

I then tried a few rounds of Winchester 555 and they fired ok. However I didn't shoot many of them, because they were too noisy and I wanted to keep noise to a minimum possible (I was at my deer hunting spot and deer season opens next Saturday). I didn't try enough of these rounds to actually form an opinion on their performance.

Third and last came the Winchester Wildcat. This is bottom drawer ammo which performs accordingly. However, I didn't expect too may problems in a quality bolt action rifle, but... This ammo gave me a few misrifes, failures to feed (mostly when not working the bolt quickly enough, but some even when working the bolt properly), and worst of all 3 or 4 stuck cases. The first one came out after I hit the case in the chamber with the firing pin a second time, but the second one was much more difficult to pull out. Finally, the last one was so hard to pull out I just stopped shooting the rifle for the day.

Now, Here's what I found during inspection while cleaning the rifle:

1.- This rifle has Controlled Round Feed! The problem with mine is that the extractors were not letting the rounds completely slide under them when pushing them out of the mag and into the chamber. That gave me the failures to feed, because the rounds were too canted. It happened every single time the round did not slide fully under the extractors. It also happened whether I worked the bolt quickly of slower.

2.- This rifle does seem to have a tight chamber, as I had previously mentioned. That is probably what gave me the stuck cases with the cheaper ammo.

3.- The firing pin was not protruding enough to firmly strike the chambered rounds. This is most likely the reason for the many misfires I got.

One last thing that really surprised me happened while cleaning. I know we don't really need to clean the barrels on 22's, at least not very often. However, since this was a brand new rifle (or at least I hope it was), I decided to clean the barrel to give it a better chance next time out. Also to allow the barrel to foul with the ammo I'll be shooting in it. The thing is that I pushed a small chip of metal out of the barrel while cleaning it. I don't know where the heck that came from, but if it was in there all alone that would explain the not so wonderful accuracy at 20 mt that I got with the Lapua ammo.

Oh, and two more observations. I found the rifle was very dirty, considering I don't think I even put 100 rounds through it. That is why I said I hope it was new, cause it certainly had been fired before. The bolt head had a little carbon deposit over its top, the extractor channels had a bunch of carbon residue as did the inside of the bolt, specially where the main spring is. I don't think carbon fowling from a few dozen rounds can even get there. Second, I tried a 10 round extra mag I bought for it and I noticed that the tip of the top round could move from side to side. so they weren't always pointing straight at the chamber. However, the crooked ones never gave me a failure to feed, at least none that I noticed.

Anyways, I have now corrected the firing pin protruding problem, I have cleaned, radiused and polished the extractors and thoroughly cleaned the bolt and barrel. Now the only problem is that with deer season starting next week, it'll probably be weeks before I can shoot this rifle again. I'll post back with the results when I do get to test it again. Hopefully my mods have corrected the annoying problems I experienced the first time out. We'll see...
 
Gun Lover said:
Alright, I finally got a chance to test fire mine and it's not what I was expecting. I got A LOT of misfires, failures to feed, failures to eject and three or four stuck cases. I wasn't a happy camper! I couldn't seriously test its accuracy, so I only did it informally while function testing it.

I first tried Lapua SK ammo, which shoots very nicely in all my other 22's, but I think I got more than a dozen misfires with it. After checking the fired cases I saw very light firing pin marks, which I'm sure cause the misfires. Accuracy at about 20 mts resting the rifle on a tripod while standing was about 3 to 3.5 inches for 5 shots with open sights. I can usually do much better than that.

I then tried a few rounds of Winchester 555 and they fired ok. However I didn't shoot many of them, because they were too noisy and I wanted to keep noise to a minimum possible (I was at my deer hunting spot and deer season opens next Saturday). I didn't try enough of these rounds to actually form an opinion on their performance.

Third and last came the Winchester Wildcat. This is bottom drawer ammo which performs accordingly. However, I didn't expect too may problems in a quality bolt action rifle, but... This ammo gave me a few misrifes, failures to feed (mostly when not working the bolt quickly enough, but some even when working the bolt properly), and worst of all 3 or 4 stuck cases. The first one came out after I hit the case in the chamber with the firing pin a second time, but the second one was much more difficult to pull out. Finally, the last one was so hard to pull out I just stopped shooting the rifle for the day.

Now, Here's what I found during inspection while cleaning the rifle:

1.- This rifle has Controlled Round Feed! The problem with mine is that the extractors were not letting the rounds completely slide under them when pushing them out of the mag and into the chamber. That gave me the failures to feed, because the rounds were too canted. It happened every single time the round did not slide fully under the extractors. It also happened whether I worked the bolt quickly of slower.

2.- This rifle does seem to have a tight chamber, as I had previously mentioned. That is probably what gave me the stuck cases with the cheaper ammo.

3.- The firing pin was not protruding enough to firmly strike the chambered rounds. This is most likely the reason for the many misfires I got.

One last thing that really surprised me happened while cleaning. I know we don't really need to clean the barrels on 22's, at least not very often. However, since this was a brand new rifle (or at least I hope it was), I decided to clean the barrel to give it a better chance next time out. Also to allow the barrel to foul with the ammo I'll be shooting in it. The thing is that I pushed a small chip of metal out of the barrel while cleaning it. I don't know where the heck that came from, but if it was in there all alone that would explain the not so wonderful accuracy at 20 mt that I got with the Lapua ammo.

Oh, and two more observations. I found the rifle was very dirty, considering I don't think I even put 100 rounds through it. That is why I said I hope it was new, cause it certainly had been fired before. The bolt head had a little carbon deposit over its top, the extractor channels had a bunch of carbon residue as did the inside of the bolt, specially where the main spring is. I don't think carbon fowling from a few dozen rounds can even get there. Second, I tried a 10 round extra mag I bought for it and I noticed that the tip of the top round could move from side to side. so they weren't always pointing straight at the chamber. However, the crooked ones never gave me a failure to feed, at least none that I noticed.

Anyways, I have now corrected the firing pin protruding problem, I have cleaned, radiused and polished the extractors and thoroughly cleaned the bolt and barrel. Now the only problem is that with deer season starting next week, it'll probably be weeks before I can shoot this rifle again. I'll post back with the results when I do get to test it again. Hopefully my mods have corrected the annoying problems I experienced the first time out. We'll see...
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Did you clean it thoroughly before you shot it?
 
Here are a couple targets shot from my rem model5 it performs well with mini mags and wildcats
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This target was shot by 2 differant people both using the model5 mini mags and wildcats
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No, I didn't clean the barrel prior, that's why I didn't find the metal chip before shooting and that is why I think I didn't get good accuracy.

Hey 500 ss bob, those are very nice groups with the Wildcat ammo! I just couldn't check accuracy with it, because the empty cases just kept getting stuck in the chamber.

Anyway, I won't go bonkers for now. I think I fixed the problems and I do have better ammo to test it with. Besides the aforementioned Lapua I also have some Eley, RWS, Federal Gold Medal and Winchester Power Point (from about 8 or 9 years ago which has always shot great in my other .22's). Well, that and a whole bunch more. Plus, I still have to mount the scope for more serious testing. We'll see how it goes next time. Hopefully the Deer will cooperate this year and I will be free to go to the shooting range again soon. :)
 
I don't think you will have a problem with a clean gun...the packing oil that comes on euro guns (chinese guns as well) is a pretty thick waxy mess we are not use to seeing. It works good at preventing corrosion, but it's not a lube at all. Probably the cause of all your problems that day at the range.
 
I always clean at least the barrel before shooting a new gun, usually the whole thing. Ive found all kinds of crap in bores of rifles over the years, and there is almost always a nasty preserving oil, grease, wax, sludge, zombie slobber or similar in the bore. I also bring a cleaning rod to the range when I bring the Zastava. No live round extraction at all, its not happening. I had good results this summer with Remington Subsonics, with that cinder block weight Remington thought it would be funny to set the trigger at. It was like an SKS. Its now adjusted right down to near nothing so hopefully I can squeeze some more sub half inch groups out of it.
 
My rifle was the Demo at the store, the last one left when I bought it, so it had been previously cleaned. It was quite dry. The only things I did was rub a little oil (actually TW-25b) on the bolt and run a dry patch twice through the bore to make sure it was also dry and unobstructed. Like I said, the extractor channels were dirty, but I don't think dirty enough to keep them from working. They were just not finished properly.

I don't have a bore scope, but by straining my eyes and using a bore light, I can see that there is practically no lead from chamber to rifling. Also, the edge from chamber to rifling seems a little rough and sharp. Maybe the metal chip I pushed out of the barrel came from there. Maybe that is what caused the lack of accuracy and the stuck cases. Anyway, like I said, we'll see once I get the chance to shoot if again. If it is accurate enough, I am going back for a .22 Mag. :)

Oh, by the way, I adjusted the trigger, too, even before I shot the first round. I left it at around 2.5 lb for now. I'll put a brick of ammo through it and then will readjust pull weight plus creep this time.
 
anybody know the reputation of IZH-94, just 94 not the modification. It is combinational riffle/shotgun 308/12g
 
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