I think the Ziess offers excellent glass, and they are a decent hunting optics, and if I was not going to be dialing turrets other then to change my load and checking zero, and looking for an acceptably priced optic, it would be a Ziess, but, that not the shooting I do. I find the Ziess to be lacking on the exact tracking portion of dealing turrets, I have had two of them, both giving me in between 5-10% difference in what I was dialling for and achieving, not to mention the internal travel was something to be desired. They did however both hold zero flawlessly, and thus why I belive they do belong on a dedicated hunting rifle that you plan on either leaving alone, or using holdovers for range compensation. All this being said, I do still think they offer an excellent product overall and cannot argue that their glass is top notch of their price range, but from my experience, not as amazing as a Nightforce or a Schmidt and Bender, but cudos to the salesman.