Am I the only one that wont run cheap ammo such as Norc through my AR?

With all the "concerns" regarding the MANY posts on CGN about Norc ammo failures, I wonder how that compares to the many thousands of crates sold? :rolleyes: Very vocal minority?

I have run almost a full crate through my XCR without a failure of any kind. I did have an issue with a few rounds in my T97, but I blame the gun. Accuracy is just fine with me for paper and steel, and considering the XCR is not my "precision rig," I am cool with that. I guess if I was restricted to a range, then perhaps I would only be interested in 1 MOA too! :p ;)

The second best part about the Norc ammo, other than its price, is that it is all re-loadable.
 
Com-bloc firearms designed for steel cased ammo will get fed steel cased ammo. Chinese clones of NATO firearms get steel case ammo. None of my real "free world" firearms are fed steel cased ammo. Folks here like analogies so here it is. My minivan runs regular gas or flex fuel. I fill it with that. IF I owned a Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG it would not be fueled with 87 octane fuel. Chinese firearms are the minivans of the gun world. Feed them accordingly.
 
enefgee said:
EVERY ammo company produces some amount of crap, every week. You can pay a premium price for it, or bargain basement for it, but eventually, you'll find crap from every maker. You just have to shoot enough.
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This says everything that can be said on the subject.

Until someone has enough time and money to track actual failure RATES of the various brands of ammunition with large sample sizes (number of failures per 10000 rounds fired), nothing useful can be added to the discussion.
 
the link betwen smoking and cancer is not 100% totally proven either (hence why some smokers live to ripe age of 90+ without ever getting cancer) however it's enough for me to not want to risk smoking just the same...
 
It is better to shoot alot and buy a new rifle when this one is shot out than staying home because an ammo reason... In my book that is... JP.
 
I ONLY run norc through my $2500 piston driven AR and have not had a single issue. Ran it through my Tavor, my T97, my XCR and a few other expensive rifles, all with no issues. Its definitely not as accurate as better quality ammo but, so far, after over 6000 rounds, I havent had a single failure of any kind related to ammo. Its dirty stuff... yes... but its cheap. And if I shoot cheap ammo, I can shoot more. Which is what i want.

I don't sit at a bench with my AR and shoot at bulls eyes all day. I have a bolt gun for that (that never sees norc). I like to practice drills and scenarios and so far, I havent seen any measurable difference in accuracy for that type of shooting VS higher quality ammo.

Other than being dirty, I see no issues at all running norc. But some people are ammo snobs with money to burn. I don't let them make me feel bad.
 
Runningfool said:
Just checked Ammo Source and it is $460/1000 plus shipping plus tax which in Ontario works out to .55/rd (not close to .40/rd). Canada Ammo Norc is currently $319/1120 plus tax which works out to .32/rd. That means shooting the norc ammo saves you $230 vs the bulk AE from SFRC (per 1000 rounds). $230 saved per 1000 buys a lot of $200 barrels or even a few fancy-schmancy cr5 barrels ;)
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If you go with the estimates from previous posters of about 20 000 rounds to wear out a barrel with norc ammo, and your math is correct in what you save per 1000 rounds... thats $4600 by the time the barrel is worn out. Havent yet seen a $4500 barrel for sale anywhere. Thats worth nearly double what my whole gun is worth.
 
if i want to shoot accurately I use hand loads, if i want volume blasting ammo I use norc. It is cheaper than I can reload bulk 55g for. maybe see the difference if you were running a high volume course where you are shooting thousands of rounds over a short period. all my guns eat the stuff up no problem.
 
pavmentsurfer said:
If you go with the estimates from previous posters of about 20 000 rounds to wear out a barrel with norc ammo, and your math is correct in what you save per 1000 rounds... thats $4600 by the time the barrel is worn out. Havent yet seen a $4500 barrel for sale anywhere. Thats worth nearly double what my whole gun is worth.
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You mean if I shoot more of my Norinco ammo, I can buy a 10 middle of the road barrels!!!! brb, heading to the range. If it works for you great, if it doesn't then I guess you are stuck with shelling out some more money for something else.

I bought a case of the CJ Norc 223 ammo in hopes to prove how garbage it was. Sadly it has always runs just fine for me. Accurate enough for the games I play, not just making noise. On the other hand a norinco 22 pistol I bought was junk, sold it and bought something that worked. My point is, if I had problems with this ammo, I wouldn't shoot it. I have 5K of the stuff through my DDM4, once I get to the 20K mark I will do a full review.
 
I run norc through my 5.56 guns at the range. It's brass cased, copper jacketed. It's not going to wear your gun out quicker than other brass cased, copper jacketed ammo.

I haven't experienced pierced primers or undersized projectiles. Can someone explain to me how an undersized projectile wears a barrel out faster? Obviously the accuracy issues would suck, but that's about it.
 
alpining said:
This says everything that can be said on the subject.

Until someone has enough time and money to track actual failure RATES of the various brands of ammunition with large sample sizes (number of failures per 10000 rounds fired), nothing useful can be added to the discussion.
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At the last CQB match at Abbotsford, while policing brass, I found two CJ stamped cases with lengthwise fissures, just as pictured in other threads here.

For statistical purposes, if you figure all fifty shooters ran Norc (which they didn't), and that I found every single case that failed (which I didn't), that is 2 out of 5400 case failures. The actual failure rate is obviously much higher.

Too high for me. In a year or twenty of shooting and reloading, I have never seen a north american manufactured case fail that I didn't cause.
 
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cr5 said:
I'll never run it in any of my rifles.
Too many reports of people having problems for me to waste my money on it.
I also like to make groups not just make noise and cause unnecessary wear on my barrels. If I had a cheap AR with an easy to change $200 barrel I wouldn't care much but my barrels cost more than that and some of them aren't easy to replace.
It's junk and I don't waste my time or money on junk. Saying it goes bang almost every time isn't enough reason for me to use it.
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Ill keep shooting norc ammo and save enough money after shooting 20000 rounds of .223 through my ar15 to buy me another brand new Tavor 21 and replace my Ar15 barrel.
 
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