Am I the only one that wont run cheap ammo such as Norc through my AR?
- Thread starter Brappp306
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Someone will write a serious post like this so, in an effort to derail it, here goes -
When I'm not trolling, or offering good advice, I try to create laughter. Too many sour pusses here, dragging the rest of us down. I plan on smiling as long as I'm breathing.
Do you really think that's a responsible position to take? When all of the anti-gun people who use CGN as a resource see you joking and having fun, they'll all be able to use that as proof hat firearms owners are irresponsible, maybe even perverted. After all, how old was that gun you were talking too? - Just as I thought, waaaaaay underage, so before you get your jollies by being jolly think about the harm that does to firearms community. Honestly, you're worse than one of those "weapon" guys.
When I'm not trolling, or offering good advice, I try to create laughter. Too many sour pusses here, dragging the rest of us down. I plan on smiling as long as I'm breathing.
Do you really think that's a responsible position to take? When all of the anti-gun people who use CGN as a resource see you joking and having fun, they'll all be able to use that as proof hat firearms owners are irresponsible, maybe even perverted. After all, how old was that gun you were talking too? - Just as I thought, waaaaaay underage, so before you get your jollies by being jolly think about the harm that does to firearms community. Honestly, you're worse than one of those "weapon" guys.
I don't like to, but because a friend of mine bought 4 crates and he needs help finishing it. I'm going to be a stand up friend and bite the bullet so to speak. I usually run either Hornady Superformance 5.56 62gr but it's damn near impossible to find. So American Eagle 223 62gr FMJ BT is my baby's usual snack
Lol. Yes, honestly, I want all non-shooters to realize that shooting is fun, and enjoyed by good humored, fun loving people. The silent belief that gun owners are dark, introverted misfits, is a grotesque caricature that needs to chipped away at, one wink at a time. The longer gun owners post long debates about killing power, conceal-ability, home made silencers, full auto conversions etc., the longer it will take to be recognized as a normal part of society, rather than a marginalized club of freaks. By the way, the club meets this weekend for our beach storming training. Landing craft will be supplied, but bring your own body armour.
We had 8 guys shoot between 25,000- 30,000 rnds of Norinco on the PMCC at Agoge last September. Had no catastrophic malfunctions, no misfires, squibs or fractured cases.
Guys were shooting it from some high end AR's, a HK416 upper, etc.
This was all in a pretty harsh firing schedule too.
Guys were shooting it from some high end AR's, a HK416 upper, etc.
This was all in a pretty harsh firing schedule too.
Don't start trying to inject logic into a clearly emotional debate. We don't want it, and we don't need it. If you want to bring actual first hand experience, of a statistically significant nature to the site, you will not be popular here. Tell us a story about a guy you read about, that may or may not have had a mechanical issue, that may or may not have been related to ammo, that may or may not have been Norinco. Throw in a few derogatory comments about their culture, politics, education, and work ethic, and we should have everything we need.
Shooter1of38
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She he told me she was 18.....I swear she did.
It definitely wasn't her first...the magwell was pretty flared and scratched up....
Gunnerlove
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That would be a decent weekend.
In reality what you are saying supports the idea that some cases of Norinco 5.56mm are decent ammo and some are a waste of time and money. It seems to be a gamble and consumers need to know it is a gamble.
All I know is that in the last 12 months I have seen more problems with Norinco 5.56mm than I have seen in decades with all other ammunition combined.
Shooter1of38
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Good to know Hilo71...Thanks for that.
Last fall it was hard to find Federal AE that I normaly use...Jo Brook had no AE but had the spam can crates on for $299...I passed, walked out the door did the rest of my running around town...Couple hours later ready for the 3.5 hour drive back to the farm suddenly said @#$% It...Spam can ammo gotta be better then going short!
Next day opened that dirty tin can up and...
5.56mm Ball 08 P.R CHINA
LOT 33
MFR.DATE DEC 1995
When I read what was in those smelly white boxes I really had a hard time bringing myself to try it.
Endes up out a 16 inch barrel the china ammo averages 3100fps and groups around 2 inch...Never had a miss fire or any other trouble at all so far.
Federal AE average 2840fps and group around 1.5 inch out the same rifle also trouble free.
I pulled a few bullets from the Federal and China ammo and found the bullet wieghts to be very consistent with both.
The empty china brass vary in wieght by as much as 4 grains, the AE by around 1 grain...For comparison the other day I started a fresh batch of 50 Remington 7mm Rem mag brass and they are within 1 grain with most of them being within .5 grain in wieght...North American brass is far more consistent in wieght.
What I have surprisingly discovered so far is that this China ammo is not cheap in the sense of being of poor quality...Rather it is very inexpensive for how reliable it is...Also when you consider the extra 260fps it delivers to the gong it is actually a superior round to the Federal AE at realistic .223 ranges.
I'm sure hoping I can find some more of this particular lot of ammo.
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The PMCC is over 2 weeks. The first week is intensive pistol and carbine work. After that it goes to the CP phase, and ends in a high rnd count final exercise.
LOTS of brass to police the first week, which the students do.....
I know students this year will be bringing Norinco 5.56. I will note the lots if I can, and report on any issues.
Hmm, there seems to be a popular opinion that the higher lot numbers are the ones to avoid, good to hear your positive experience. I myself have had no problems at all running norc through my SU16, but the highest lot number I have tried is 16. I've got some CJ '0' headstamp with crimped in primers that I am saving as it seems to perform better than the 90's headstamps I've tried.
Ar180shooter
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A friend of mine bought a case of Norc .223. He stopped using it after taking some high speed video of him running it through his Tavor and seeing fireballs coming out of the ejection port.
I've also seen lots of norc cases with pressure signs when picking up brass after CQB matches.
I'm sure that some batches are fine, but I'm in agreement that it has more issues than most other ammo.
If it's so great and trouble free why does there seem to be a new thread started every week with someone having problems with it in their rifle?
Buying Norinco 5.56 is a gamble. If I knew it was remotely consistent from crate to crate or lot to lot I would give it a try but I'm not willing to risk $370 then getting stuck with 1600 rounds of junk. Some of you have lucked out and got a good batch but there are too many bad crates out there for me to risk my money.
Good luck to all of you that buy it but it's not for me.
Buying Norinco 5.56 is a gamble. If I knew it was remotely consistent from crate to crate or lot to lot I would give it a try but I'm not willing to risk $370 then getting stuck with 1600 rounds of junk. Some of you have lucked out and got a good batch but there are too many bad crates out there for me to risk my money.
Good luck to all of you that buy it but it's not for me.
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I've put exactly 560 rounds of norc 95 through my Core15. No issues. No duds. Not match ammo but good enough for plinking.
