.375 Ruger....

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Boomer,

For Joe Average, the 375 Weatherby may be the best of them all. Higher velocity (2800 fps with 300 gr, 3000 with 270 gr) than either the H&H or the Ruger, can use regular 375 H&H ammo in a pinch, and consequently an unlimited supply of brass. :)

Ted
 
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Boomer,

For Joe Average, the 375 Weatherby may be the best of them all. Higher velocity (2800 fps with 300 gr, 3000 with 270 gr) than either the H&H or the Ruger, can use regular 375 H&H ammo in a pinch, and consequently an unlimited supply of brass. :)

Ted
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I get what you're saying for the versatility aspect but for Joe Average the .375 Weatherby is quite the handful and probably beyond most's capability.
 
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Boomer,

For Joe Average, the 375 Weatherby may be the best of them all. Higher velocity (2800 fps with 300 gr, 3000 with 270 gr) than either the H&H or the Ruger, can use regular 375 H&H ammo in a pinch, and consequently an unlimited supply of brass. :)

Ted
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Ted,

it was right until the time Doug showed the utility of fireforming/resizing 300 win mag brass for the 375 ruger ...

all the best.

Phil
 
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Boomer,

For Joe Average, the 375 Weatherby may be the best of them all. Higher velocity (2800 fps with 300 gr, 3000 with 270 gr) than either the H&H or the Ruger, can use regular 375 H&H ammo in a pinch, and consequently an unlimited supply of brass. :)

Ted
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375 Weatherby would be my second choice. Almost had one built. I had a donor rifle and everything....then the NEW KING was introduced and I sold the donor and bought the KING ;)
 
troutseeker said:
Exactly :) It's done it all! It is high time the .375 H&H be retired. Like many things old it has an unpleasant aroma, let it be put to pasture, laid to rest, faded to memory, entombed, brought to a close, revoked, nullified, en-sepulchered, inhumed, held the last rites, abolished, quashed, rescinded, retracted, expunged, dismantled and dismissed, withdrawn, disclaimed, disowned, disheveled, repudiated, recanted, counter-ordered, declared null and void, rubbed out, disavowed, re-bleued (dog forbid!), deprecated, slammed, disparaged, rejected and renounced, disesteemed, disfavored, neglected, frowned upon, pooh-pooh'd, rebuffed, blown off, derogated, bashed, enema'd, reviled, smeared (and perhaps paped), slapped, scolded, and finally made into fishing weights!

What a eulogy for the old girl, the passing of a cartridge always putting on airs and graces, and drinking tea with the little finger in the air. Goodbye old girl, you've had a decent run. Now let the new King Rule supreme over this Dominion, and over the Dark Continent...:p
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HEAR HEAR!!!

:)

Very eloquent eulogy, indeed. :)
 
Save the eulogy for the 375 Imposter, the H&H is still doing just fine and outselling the Imposter 4 to 1 so we'll see who needs the eulogy first !!!! I still don't see anyone jumping on the brass band wagon to make better Imposter brass..........bad sign, considering how many companies make 375 H&H ammo and brass........not to mention rifles............
 
c-fbmi said:
Save the eulogy for the 375 Imposter, the H&H is still doing just fine and outselling the Imposter 4 to 1 so we'll see who needs the eulogy first !!!! I still don't see anyone jumping on the brass band wagon to make better Imposter brass..........bad sign, considering how many companies make 375 H&H ammo and brass........not to mention rifles............
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Go Douglas! Just returned from visiting my young son in the B.C. interior and had a phone chat with Ted. We're having a coffee get-together and chat session tomorrow at 'Timmies' with a few of the local CGNers, wish you were there.
 
Can someone please give me a decent puff load to fireform some of my .300winmag brass into the .375 ruger? I have Reloader 15,19,22, IMR 4350, H4895, H4831sc, H414 for the powders on my shelf. I have 100 of the speer 235gr bullets to sacrifice plus a bucket of winchester .300wm brass. Thanks if anyone can give me a safe fireforming load with one of my powders!!!!! I am all ears................
 
Sgt R........I fireform right from 30 up to 375, just did 60 cases a couple weeks ago. I loaded some old cast bullets in 30 cal that I had and then a good stiff load of 3031 to give it the pressure needed to properly expand. If you are planning to neck them up first and then load with the 375 235 gn Speers, just use what ever load Speer recommends for that bullet, with what ever powder you have the most of, RL 15, 4350 or 4895 would be my choices. If you don't have Ruger data, just use H&H data.

You don't need a lot of pressure to form brass anything over about 40,000 psi seems to form it perfectly, so use starting loads and if it doesn't expand all the way just up them a bit until you're satisfied with the appearance of the case.

Just checked 3 different books, and I'd recommend 72-75 grns of 4895 behind the 235 Speers.
 
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I just made a .375 Ruger case by using the .30-.40 expander for making 9.3X62, thus the neck is expanded to .40 (I used lots of Imperial Dry Neck Lube) then run it through the .375 Ruger FL die, and its ready to load; this might be handier for you guys who don't live 30 seconds from the range or are primer challenged. The down side is that from time to time you'll tear a .300 neck ruining the case, whereas fire forming risks none of your brass.
 
Boomer said:
I just made a .375 Ruger case by using the .30-.40 expander for making 9.3X62, thus the neck is expanded to .40 (I used lots of Imperial Dry Neck Lube) then run it through the .375 Ruger FL die, and its ready to load; this might be handier for you guys who don't live 30 seconds from the range or are primer challenged. The down side is that from time to time you'll tear a .300 neck ruining the case, whereas fire forming risks none of your brass.
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I did get one split neck out of 61 cases fireformed Boomer, it happens, but not as frequently as trying to manually expand them, 67 thou. W-W brass is not near as forgiving as Rem brass when it comes to reworking, but will not take the top end loads that W-W brass will. I too have used an expander mandrel and it works fine, except it tends to expand the necks more on one side than the other and gives uneven neck thicknesses and crooked case mouths, fireforming does not seem to do this.
 
c-fbmi said:
Save the eulogy for the 375 Imposter, the H&H is still doing just fine and outselling the Imposter 4 to 1 so we'll see who needs the eulogy first !!!! I still don't see anyone jumping on the brass band wagon to make better Imposter brass..........bad sign, considering how many companies make 375 H&H ammo and brass........not to mention rifles............
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No monarch gives up his crown easily. The deposed H &H will attempt to hold on tightly , but the crown has already slipped away.....
 
c-fbmi said:
The 375 H&H crown is still planted firmly and will be for all time.
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I find it interesting that you would have such an interest for the .375 Ruger, going as far as owning one and playing around to see what it can do, fireforming brass, etc... But still trumpet the virtues of the .375 H&H. What's the problem, can't bring yourself to admit that the new King is at least as good as the old H&H? Or you just don't want to be seen as a Ruger lover (although you may be...). :)
 
troutseeker said:
I find it interesting that you would have such an interest for the .375 Ruger, going as far as owning one and playing around to see what it can do, fireforming brass, etc... But still trumpet the virtues of the .375 H&H. What's the problem, can't bring yourself to admit that the new King is at least as good as the old H&H? Or you just don't want to be seen as a Ruger lover (although you may be...). :)
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He wants to be part of the club, but is too stubborn to admit it. Heck, he's already a member of Team New King now that he owns a 375 Ruger.....;)
 
troutseeker said:
I find it interesting that you would have such an interest for the .375 Ruger, going as far as owning one and playing around to see what it can do, fireforming brass, etc... But still trumpet the virtues of the .375 H&H. What's the problem, can't bring yourself to admit that the new King is at least as good as the old H&H? Or you just don't want to be seen as a Ruger lover (although you may be...). :)
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You obviously don't read all the posts on here, if you go back you will see that I have said I thought the Ruger design was a very good design and that it should be an outstanding cartridge. I also love the feel and balance and nice slim forearm on the Ruger African, which I purchased. My two only issues with the 375 Ruger are the lack of quality and consistency in the only brass available for it.........a problem I believe I have solved and the second is some gentleman who keeps proclaiming that it is "The New King" of the medium bores, ad infinitum, which is annoying and really putting a bad shadow over what may be a really good cartridge. It will never supplant the 375 H&H in the medium bore line up but then it doesn't have to, to be a great cartridge either. Did the 308 make the 30-06 irrelevant......no, did the 300 WM make the 300 Wby disappear......no, did the 416 Rem eliminate the 416 Rigby .......I don't think so..........The point being that several cartridges can coexist giving very similar ballistics, each with their own attributes. It isn't that any new cartridge is going to kill off any existing cartridge, especially with a legendary history like the 375 H&H has. The WSMs are a prime example in this discussion, and use all the same arguments......shorter action vs long action, beltless vs belted, virtually identical ballistics, modern design vs old one. The way I see it is the WSMs are struggling just to remain viable and certainly haven't hurt 7 Mag or 300 Mag sales one bit, and I doubt they have changed too many 270 shooters over either.
My prediction that the 375 Ruger is doomed is due to facts I don't control but am astute enough to recognize.....Lack of good brass from any of the major ammo makers is a death knell whether GH is willing to admit it or not. Those of us who have been in this game as long as I have, know this is a bad sign, even the WSMs have several makers making ammo and brass for them and their future isn't exactly stellar. The new 26 Nosler may well meet the same fate if a major player doesn't pick up the ball and start making affordable brass and ammo for it.
So let me say this ONE MORE TIME, I do NOT hate the 375 Ruger, and as far as Gatehouse's and my banter, well I hope it's all in good fun, because it is on this end. I do believe he is doing more damage than good to this cartridge, with his endless rhetoric. I have done more good for the cartridge in the past year than his endless yapping ever will, by developing a new way to get good and reliable, inexpensive brass for it.
And also for the record, I take an interest in virtually all cartridges and calibers developed with the single exception of anything shooting a .277 dia bullet.
 
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