NFA told Canadian Wholesale Ammo to stop using their images and logo!

S

Sharked

Regular
Rating - 100%
20   0   2
Location
GTA
Here was my post on NFA's facebook page:

http://canadianwholesaleammo.com/?page_id=2 are proven to be scammers and committing Fraud, are using your logo and saying they are associated with NFA. Can you please look into this?
Click to expand...

And here is their response today:

Canada's National Firearms Association They have been advised to discontinue use of our images and logo's. Thank you for your vigilance.
Click to expand...

htt ps://www.facebook.com/NFACANADA
 
In before Cease And Desist spam posting.....

I wonder if the NFA will get a copy of that now as well - LOL

Good on them, though.
 
Please keep the thread serious and it won't be locked and disappear. We want people to know what is going on.

Besides the fraud, what really bothers me in all this:

See the first paragraph in post #62, first two lines by the OP, see the 2nd sentence:

"OK, I promised an update in the thread I began which was since locked. The RCMP were contacted but informed me that they can not do anything with this situation"

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...r-beware!!?p=10056441&viewfull=1#post10056441

Really? WTF? So the RCMP has the time to go after 'potential criminals' (SA/858, etc fiasco) but no time for real criminals?
Is there fraud, yes or no? It sounds quite simple in this case from what we've heard and experienced.

NOTE: This is not an issue that reflects on individual LEO members. It is the big machine that is broken, that doesn't allow the LEO's to do the right thing.
 
I think someone pointed out they are a Belize registered company, don't feel intimidated by their BS cease and desist. If they don't get dragged through the mud, they will keep scamming.
 
they are scamming us over and over. This needs to stop. Please keep this thread civil, and possibly it wont be locked. Their BS C&D orders are nothing short of a pant load.:jerkit:
they have restructured their FB page, so you can no longer post anything on the page. They are trying to drown out the overwhelming voices of the people they have scammed. I continue to receive PMs from guys who have been scammed. Post away guys, get the word out.
 
Steiner said:
Please keep the thread serious and it won't be locked and disappear. We want people to know what is going on.

Besides the fraud, what really bothers me in all this:

See the first paragraph in post #62, first two lines by the OP, see the 2nd sentence:

"OK, I promised an update in the thread I began which was since locked. The RCMP were contacted but informed me that they can not do anything with this situation"

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...r-beware!!?p=10056441&viewfull=1#post10056441

Really? WTF? So the RCMP has the time to go after 'potential criminals' (SA/858, etc fiasco) but no time for real criminals?
Is there fraud, yes or no? It sounds quite simple in this case from what we've heard and experienced.

NOTE: This is not an issue that reflects on individual LEO members. It is the big machine that is broken, that doesn't allow the LEO's to do the right thing.
Click to expand...

It would be nice to know WHY ? the RCMP cannot act on this case ; a post in another thread said that the RCMP were looking into the matter , what was the outcome of their investigation . Is there something nefarious going on with this business ?
 
Gunexpert007 said:
It would be nice to know WHY ? the RCMP cannot act on this case ; a post in another thread said that the RCMP were looking into the matter , what was the outcome of their investigation . Is there something nefarious going on with this business ?
Click to expand...

There is a fraud investigation. I am not a part of it, however if someone requires the contact info, I have the officer's name and case file.
 
The RCMP cannot really act upon the OP`s matter because it falls into a grey area. Yes CWA business practices appear to be suspect we can see that but in reality those taken have unfortunatley a civil matter to contend with. Because the OP got his funds back there is nothing for them to do. Those that have yet to get anything must seek restitution from small claims which takes forever and CWA having provided no contact info for anyone well speaks for itself on the effort involved.

Now Tactical870 on the otherhand, with your information being made public have a different animal on your hands which I would seek some relief from the courts..
 
Last edited:
I'm thinking in general terms, not just this OP. You are correct, they can't act because of how the system works.
My main beef being how the big machine should be dealing with real criminals vs how the Firearms Act looks into future- hypothetical- potential- criminal buffoonery that we are dealing with.
Again, the LEO's are not at fault. I know lots of them get frustrated with how the system works (or doesn't work).
 
Last edited:
Steiner said:
I'm thinking in general terms, not just this OP. You are correct, they can't act because of how the system works.
My main beef being how the big machine should be dealing with real criminals vs how the Firearms Act looks into future- hypothetical- potential- criminal buffoonery that we are dealing with.
Again, the LEO's are not at fault.
Click to expand...

I should be more specific with that, the RCMP Officer I got in touch with (the one Tactical is in touch with) told me he is unable to deal with people from other provinces - so his inability to act is likely due to the way our system is setup and not a lack of motivation on his part - He was very quick to get back to me.
 
Since Wholesale ammo seem not to really understand what kind of service customers expect, I thought I would create a template for them to work with:

At Wholesale ammo, we are committed to customer service. In that pursuit, our mission is to exceed our customers expectations. If for any reason you are not satisfied, or have any suggestion on how we can improve our customer service. Please feel free to contact us at (###) ###-###x. Or write our head office at 1234 rip off lane, care of the department of corrections, Canada R1P 0ff

Anything close to that would have worked. I hope that helps WSA. IBTL.
 
Last edited:
Maguyver said:
I should be more specific with that, the RCMP Officer I got in touch with (the one Tactical is in touch with) told me he is unable to deal with people from other provinces - so his inability to act is likely due to the way our system is setup and not a lack of motivation on his part - He was very quick to get back to me.
Click to expand...

It still really does not matter an RCMP in your juristriction will still have the same problem since its a commercial transaction gone astray, not something done with pure criminal intent (i know hard to tell the difference at this point but thats how the crown will look at it) so its purely a civil matter for you if you hadnt got your refund. The sheer number of times it appears to be happening looks to be like the business is in trouble as a whole.
 
As soon as they say they have something in stock and know they don't, that is fraud. He has done this countless times where he takes your money then says he doesn't have it, yet if you email him from a different email address he'll tell you he does have it in stock. That is fraud and should be at least investigated and charged as such. But for the RCMP to bother with it it needs numerous cases with proof to be worth the crowns effort.

That said, it's only $100 to file suit and sue someone.


Mudzbogger said:
It still really does not matter an RCMP in your juristriction will still have the same problem since its a commercial transaction gone astray, not something done with pure criminal intent (i know hard to tell the difference at this point but thats how the crown will look at it) so its purely a civil matter for you if you hadnt got your refund. The sheer number of times it appears to be happening looks to be like the business is in trouble as a whole.
Click to expand...
 
z71camaro said:
As soon as they say they have something in stock and know they don't, that is fraud. He has done this countless times where he takes your money then says he doesn't have it, yet if you email him from a different email address he'll tell you he does have it in stock. That is fraud and should be at least investigated and charged as such. But for the RCMP to bother with it it needs numerous cases with proof to be worth the crowns effort.

That said, it's only $100 to file suit and sue someone.
Click to expand...

You're correct that CWA is trying to obtain our business by fraudulent means for sure which I think the RCMP is investigating something.

Getting your funds back is a civil matter I asure you I've been down this road before. Artists like these are very good at keeping our dollars because they count on us giving up before we get out funds back and in most cases that happens. Think about it, most people lose less than $250 bucks on a transaction like this but to get it back will like expend thousands in effort to get it returned. For what?? Satisfaction? Revenge? These types of businesses will just turn around and do it all again under a different name.

In the end no one wins. CGN should just post a warning for all to see and we as fellow nutz should be wary of who we do business with in the future.
 
Well aware the RCMP can't get your money back, it's not about that at that point. I call that expense "entertainment". Because it is all about making things as difficult as possible for low life's trying to take advantage of trusting groups.


Mudzbogger said:
You're correct that CWA is trying to obtain our business by fraudulent means for sure which I think the RCMP is investigating something.

Getting your funds back is a civil matter I asure you I've been down this road before. Artists like these are very good at keeping our dollars because they count on us giving up before we get out funds back and in most cases that happens. Think about it, most people lose less than $250 bucks on a transaction like this but to get it back will like expend thousands in effort to get it returned. For what?? Satisfaction? Revenge? These types of businesses will just turn around and do it all again under a different name.

In the end no one wins. CGN should just post a warning for all to see and we as fellow nutz should be wary of who we do business with in the future.
Click to expand...
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Canadian_Wholesale_Ammo

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

K&S Industries/ Canadian Wholesale Ammo Is one of the largest private trade dealers in Canada, of civilian & military munitions and operates within the civil and landward defence Industry as a private key domestic & international supplier of small arms munitions. K&S Industries: As a civil and defense contractor in the international market supplies munitions to reputable private parties nations, states, territories within NATO Alliance Nations (NAN) and international reputable organizations.

Reputation: Pure scam artists as revealed by CGN
Click to expand...


Laugh2
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom