The Canadian Tactical Rifle choices...

Canadiankeeper said:
No one ever remembers the tactics, gun or caliber. Just who survived.
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The milsurp forum would like to talk to you about that :p
But in all seriousness, superlative has posted his opinion. Some will share it and some will detest it. I don't agree with all points based on my experiences having owned most of the rifles listed but I do prefer the XCR over most. That being said, that is my opinion. Others do not agree and that's the very definition of diversity. Each gun has its own following and haters. That's just the way a free country works. Better that than what Hitler thought of private gun ownership... A statist view shared by members of our own government and police. Keep the fight pointed in the right direction. As Lahey once said: "You've got your finger on the hair trigger of a double barrelled sh!t machinegun and its pointed right at your face" - Jim Lahey
 
In my opinion a key requirement is that some military somewhere uses it, or something almost like it, so that the design has been adapted through real world experience.

That leaves Tavor and Famae. Honorable mention to the T97 and maybe it will make the list if it is degumped in a future version with a proper mag release and an improved magwell thereby achieving the quality of the rifle it is based on. Tavor probably gets the edge for taking ten round magazines.

ACR and XCR get brownie points for having tried to be service rifles but close don't count, they aren't, so they don't have the real world feedback that military users would have given. But maybe one day...
 
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I have been reading these what are the best MSR and my rifle is better than your rifle battles for years here on CGN. I even held off for the last three years trying to decide for myself on a NR MSR, and have just recently finally bought one to supplement my M4. What and why I purchased an SL8 and convert it was my choice. I don't care if you guys agree or not and most of you wouldn't. All that matters is it fit my needs. Now to all those who feel to express your strong love or hate with overbearing effort please understand this. Each of the MSR that are available have their own individual strengths. Those are what each person should base their MSR purchase on. Therefore each of the NR MSR's that are on the market at this time in Canada are in my mind all good rifles and include the: XCR-L/M, ACR(NR barrel), SL8, Tavor, RFB, Mini 14, M1A/M305, SU-16, MR1, etc

Moe
 
Martin248 said:
In my opinion a key requirement is that some military somewhere uses it, or something almost like it, so that the design has been adapted through real world experience.


ACR and XCR get brownie points for having tried to be service rifles but close don't count, they aren't, so they don't have the real world feedback that military users would have given. But maybe one day...
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Not sure where you get your information from. But the (remington) acr is being used by a military. I believe the polish special forces use it. :)
 
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superlative said:
Same thing. If you're not in the military, and no-one is using NR rifles in the military, then who friggin cares?
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The design of the civilian m1a and AR15 both significantly benefited from extensive testing and tweaking of the closely related military versions. Quite a lot is the same and therefore benefits from the military testing and field learning, which makes its way back into design tweaks.
 
The XCR is definitely not light, to say the least. Without a full magazine and without anything attached to the rails, the thing is still quite heavy. Maybe it's "light" if you are 6'8 and 320 lbs. of muscle, I don't know. But I'm a big, strong guy and the thing is still annoyingly heavy.
 
tnsaf said:
The XCR is definitely not light, to say the least. Without a full magazine and without anything attached to the rails, the thing is still quite heavy. Maybe it's "light" if you are 6'8 and 320 lbs. of muscle, I don't know. But I'm a big, strong guy and the thing is still annoyingly heavy.
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Have you seen the new xcr? It's much lighter.
 
tnsaf said:
The XCR is definitely not light, to say the least. Without a full magazine and without anything attached to the rails, the thing is still quite heavy. Maybe it's "light" if you are 6'8 and 320 lbs. of muscle, I don't know. But I'm a big, strong guy and the thing is still annoyingly heavy.
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Keymod 5.56 is weighing in at 7.5 lbs. without the mag. I think my CSA VZ 58 5.56 is about same weight, 7.37 lbs.
 
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Martin248 said:
In my opinion a key requirement is that some military somewhere uses it, or something almost like it, so that the design has been adapted through real world experience.

That leaves Tavor and Famae. Honorable mention to the T97 and maybe it will make the list if it is degumped in a future version with a proper mag release and an improved magwell thereby achieving the quality of the rifle it is based on. Tavor probably gets the edge for taking ten round magazines.

ACR and XCR get brownie points for having tried to be service rifles but close don't count, they aren't, so they don't have the real world feedback that military users would have given. But maybe one day...
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I thought the T97NSR has a STANAG mag well? That allows 10 rounders, right? Or were you just comparing the Tavor and Famae with that last part?

I have to agree on the mag release, it is not in the best location and a little small. left index finger seems to be the best option to hit it.
 
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