Closest thing to a L1A1 SLR (C1) that is Non Restricted?

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Hello,

I am a milsurp collector by habit and interest, but as time rolls on I am beginning to gain an appreciation for early black rifles in higher calibers like 7.62 NATO (.223 is all well and good, just not my thing).

Not long ago, a gentleman let me hold an old "SLR", and called it a "Cee One". I looked into it, and it's a nice gun in a hefty caliber! Not to kick the bee's nest, but I'm wondering why these rifles, being semi auto only, magazine fed 7.62 rifles are prohibited when the M14 and it's variants are non restricted? Are they not, in essence, the same concept of the same rifleman's platform? :confused:

In any event, what is the current, non restricted version of one of these C1's? I'm sure there is a variant out there? I know my WWI rifles, so I'm a few decades behind :p

Thanks,
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All true variants are prohib unfortunately. One of the ###iest battle rifles of all time IMO. Check out the FAMAE SG542 its similar, Im sure someone could make you up some L1A1 style furniture.
 
Gunnerlove said:
Prohibited due to the drop in auto sear. Toolless full auto conversion.
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That is not why it is prohibited. It was prohibited by looks just like every other prohibited rifle. There are plenty of semi-auto receivers that would need to be milled to do that.
 
I won't speak to the futility of the FAL series being prohib.

However, if you are a milsurp collector and intrigued by the FN FAL, why don't you look into its Father the SAFN 49 ?

Essentially the same semi auto mechanism (tilting bolt, piston gas operated etc) as produced by FN in a few major calibres.

Beautifully made rifle. Saw post war service in places such as Korea and the Congo. Lots of interesting variations to collect.

And still available and non-restricted.......at least until the next election.....
 
Gunnerlove said:
Prohibited due to the drop in auto sear. Toolless full auto conversion.
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That auto sear crap is American BS. It is a safety sear that prevents the hammer from falling before the breech block and carrier is fully locked. If you took the safety sear out of a C2, it would still fire in auto due to the trigger mech and plunger.
 
recce said:
That auto sear crap is American BS. It is a safety sear that prevents the hammer from falling before the breech block and carrier is fully locked. If you took the safety sear out of a C2, it would still fire in auto due to the trigger mech and plunger.
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Nope. A wad of folded ration box or paper match under the sear used to keep it from clicking the safety sear. With the breechblock carrier forward, the safety sear rotates off the hammer, the trigger goes back, the sear comes off the hammer notch, the hammer hits the firing pin and the gun fires. If the trigger is snatched and released, it will fire bursts as the nose of the sear rises to catch the hammer notch. If held back, the magazine will empty. (Ask an old sweat.)
 
maple_leaf_eh said:
Nope. A wad of folded ration box or paper match under the sear used to keep it from clicking the safety sear. (Ask an old sweat.)
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I did the old match stick and cardboard trick when I was issued a C1 too, I don't need to ask an old sweat. I can also take a look at of one of my FN's and see how it works.

The purpose of putting the paper/matchstick under the sear was to raise it so that it would act the same way it would have if a select fire safety lever and trigger plunger were installed.

The safety sear does not touch the sear, it engages on the hammer itself to block it from going forwards until the BB and carrier is fully locked.
 
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IRG has DS Arms SA 58 rifles, which are basically FN FAL's, but considering those are probably prohib for the same bullshot reason that everything else is classed as prohib, I wouldn't bother looking.

Your other best option is the FN (or SAFN) 49, there's usually one on the EE every once in a while, but expect to pay upwards of $800 for a decent one, $1000 for good.
 
recce said:
I did the old match stick and cardboard trick when I was issued a C1 too, I don't need to ask an old sweat. I can also take a look at of one of my FN's and see how it works.

The purpose of putting the paper/matchstick under the sear was to raise it so that it would act the same way it would have if a select fire safety lever and trigger plunger were installed.

The safety sear does not touch the sear, it engages on the hammer itself to block it from going forwards until the BB and carrier is fully locked.
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recce, you reminded me, my buddie's uncle was in the Falklands Crisis (War, Conflict, W/E you wish to call it) and he told me that his C.O. ordered him to do the same trick, as they were facing 7mm full auto FAL's from the Argentinians. That is, until they picked up some captured weapons :)

Just curious, with the violent action of the firing cycle, how long did this match stick trick work?
 
The only major mechanical changes from the L1A1 were magwell cut differently, selector switch, and trigger plunger length. The Argentinians also used.7.62 nato not 7 mm in the war
 
Drachenblut said:
recce, you reminded me, my buddie's uncle was in the Falklands Crisis (War, Conflict, W/E you wish to call it) and he told me that his C.O. ordered him to do the same trick, as they were facing 7mm full auto FAL's from the Argentinians. That is, until they picked up some captured weapons :)

Just curious, with the violent action of the firing cycle, how long did this match stick trick work?
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The FN was designed to be select fire so it could handle it just fine. I only did it with blanks on exercise, which would be what most did. It would last as long as the paper was held under the sear.
 
Very interesting, and yes, my mistake, I meant to say 7.62. Interesting info about the C2's, nice to hear many of you have experience or were in the forces and used them. How would you rate them vs. the AR-15 pattern C7's and 8's?
 
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