Closest thing to a L1A1 SLR (C1) that is Non Restricted?
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Yeah, bruised shoulder much?
How were they for ease of care, and accuracy?
How were they for ease of care, and accuracy?
maple_leaf_eh
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The scores at the National Matches (aka CFSAC) at Connaught Ranges soared when the FNs were replaced by the C7s. Iron sights on each, same course of fire IIRC. The solution was to make the matches harder to keep things interesting.
Was the FN a better rifle? IMHO, no. Heavy, hard recoil, a gas plug that was hard (somewhat) to clean, smaller magazine and a butt stock shape that bruised everyone. The C7 has a worse backsight and for a while only one length of stock, but is lighter weight, no gas system to scrape, selective fire, negligible recoil, and a 30 rd magazine that makes a monopod rest. The C7A1 and the C79 sight improved the shooting even more. There were a few different length stocks in the system, but not easy to find. The C7A2 is even better because as a combat rifle, the shooter can adjust the stock to fit with body armour. But some nimrod decided to give every rifle a goofy Tri-Rail on the front sight block. It is only good as a counterweight.
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Yes the hammer does ride forward with the carrier, and it rests directly on the firing pin extension.
The hammer spring is stronger than the firing pin spring and causes it protrude from the hole, allowing the weapon to slam fire. This can happen before the BB is fully locked.
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Thank you for the insight! The C7A2 is the current model in service? Select fire, 30 round mag, 5.56 NATO? As for the tri rail, it does seem pretty goofy. How is the gas impingement system in regards to keeping clean and free of jams?
maple_leaf_eh
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A portion of the expanding gas behind the bullet is bled from the bore through the gas port into the gas tube. The gas travels to the rear and exits the tube into the nose of the key on the top of the bolt carrier. The gas is redirected inside the bolt. It begins to expand against a flange on the bolt head, and pressure is held up by three small circular slip rings on the flange. The pressure rises, the bolt begins to move rearward and turn. The cam pin turns and the gas exits the interior of the bolt carrier through a series of small holes. There is a 18,000 frame per second Youtube video that shows the gas venting ( youtube.com/watch?v=gD7pd03L43k ).
The gas system is almost self-cleaning. It works perfectly with certain military issue powders; but worked very badly in Vietnam when a more heavily fouling powder was accepted as a substitute for their 5.56 ammo. The C7's interior parts are chromed and clean easily. As long as the gaps on the slip rings are not aligned, all is good.
The C1A1 and all FAL variations were prohibited because the Socialist F**ks wanted it. They preferred to keep squandering the tax payer's money and destroy all of 'em rather than sell 'em. Some of 'em never saw the light of day after being made and put into storage. Had nothing whatever to do with the current batch of stupid laws. They were declared evil in 1978.
There's no such thing as a "drop in auto sear". Takes a wooden match.
The M-14 is select fire and therefore prohibited. An M1A/M305 is not an M-14.
There's no such thing as a "drop in auto sear". Takes a wooden match.
The M-14 is select fire and therefore prohibited. An M1A/M305 is not an M-14.
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Thank you for clearing that up sunray
it should be almost impossible for this to happen on a rifle that isnt worn out of spec, the firing pin cant reach the primer until the breach block is in the locked position, and the hammer shouldnt push the firing pin forward unless it releases after the bolt is almost all the way forward, otherwise it will chamber a round, and stop unfired and just out of battery
The firing pin can reach the primer before it is fully locked. It can act the same way the fixed pin on the C1 SMG did, and there is a warning about the round firing prematurely (yes I know that the smg was designed to fire just before the bolt was fully forward).
The hammer does indeed rest on the firing pin extension before the breech block is fully locked. The hammer spring is much stronger that the firing pin spring and will force it to protrude fully through the front of the breech block.
The BBC won't stop out of battery, the force of the return springs will force it closed and there is no way for the hammer to stop that from happening.
it will slam fire if the firing pin is stuck in the forward position but it has a very strong firing pin spring so actually when the hammer resting on the firing pin in a closed bolt position , the firing pin will not protrude.
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Your first paragraph was technical and correct, this second one is more subjective and contains several errors. The "self cleaning" thing is nonsense that promoted by Colt in sales brochures, it was found going way back to the prototypes of the AR-10 that regular cleaning of the bolt group was essential to keep the bolt operative; the calcium carbonate fouling issue with 1960's era ball powders was corrected before it was proved to cause any significant malfunctions; and alignment of the gaps in the bolt has no effect (the rings rotate in use, constantly becoming aligned and misaligned, and ARs will work with only one ring anyway).
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The velocity and energy of the falling hammer if following the carrier is a fraction of what it would be if it free falls. By the time the hammer makes contact with the firing pin it will have minimal energy and will set off only the softest of primers. Without the tertiary sear, you would be lucky to get a couple of doublings out of a hundred attempts to fire a burst. Calling it a "safety sear" is a misnomer.
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Correct according to whom? The inventor was a Belgian francophone, what did he call it?
Anyway, the defintion of a "misnomer" is that the name applied to something is misleading or improper. I am aware that english speakers usually call it a "safety sear", what I am saying is that that name is improper and misleading.
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Just something that has been bothering me slightly when looking at the title is the C1 is NOT as L1A1 SLR for the simple reason that it was adapted first, it would be more accurate to say that a L1A1 SLR is a C1 (which it is also not due to several different features of the two versions eg. the C1 having the stripper clip charger guide on the rifle). A fun fact is that Canada was the first country to adapt the FN-FAL as there standard military issue rifle.
Another thing I saw that I just wanted to correct as well is the C7A2 is not the military standard. It is the Canadian Army standard issue rifle and the Royal Canadian Air Forces standard issue rifle. The C7 (the original one with iron sights and the carrying handle) is the standard issue one for the Royal Canadian Navy.
As to the closest you can own to a FN-FAL is realistically the FN-49 but even then it is not very close. If you keep your eye open you might find one of the Argentine ones that were converted to take 7.62 NATO and feeds from detachable 20rd mags (the 20rd mags are not FN-FAL mags and were specially designed for the FN-49). Hope this helps, but as a collector as well I don't want a substitute I want the real thing.
Another thing I saw that I just wanted to correct as well is the C7A2 is not the military standard. It is the Canadian Army standard issue rifle and the Royal Canadian Air Forces standard issue rifle. The C7 (the original one with iron sights and the carrying handle) is the standard issue one for the Royal Canadian Navy.
As to the closest you can own to a FN-FAL is realistically the FN-49 but even then it is not very close. If you keep your eye open you might find one of the Argentine ones that were converted to take 7.62 NATO and feeds from detachable 20rd mags (the 20rd mags are not FN-FAL mags and were specially designed for the FN-49). Hope this helps, but as a collector as well I don't want a substitute I want the real thing.
OK, finding a Belgian manual that is not translated to English is proving very difficult. What I do have is a copy of Blake Stevens' 3 volume FAL book.
Because of copy rights I won't scan and post the page, so someone else with the book would have to confirm what I an posting. Section 3, The FAL Gazetteer, Pt 1, Illustrated FAL Parts List and Official FN Nomenclature pages 314-315 the part is called the safety sear.
What does cause confusion, is the fact that when describing the parts in the chapter that discusses development, it is referred to the safety sear, and then one sentence later, the auto sear. The U.S. produced manual for the T-48 only refers to it as the automatic sear.
You know what's really confusing? When people insist on making up new terms instead of using the established terms for specific parts, because they think some other term nobody uses is etymologically superior.
