Kimber Montana vs tikka t3

The stuff that I have read on 24hr CF about the M20B is just really unfortunate - and not just from one person. I was all jacked up to get one...not so much any more.

Yeah it's crazy how the hype seemed to die down regarding the Forbes rifles. Can't for the life of me figure why they went with a 21" barrel on their short action.
I have no experience with Forbes LLC, mines a NULA,built by the man himself.
One thing I can tell you is the tolerances are ridiculously tight on my NULA...almost to a fault and I shudder to think of them being mass produced on an assembly line.
Melvin tried to do almost the exact same thing with Colt a ways back and the finished product was hit and miss. Some would call it a fiasco.
Once again I'm not slagging Forbes LLC as I have not so much as handled their product, and teething problems are likely to happen with any fledgling company. I'm rooting for them.
 
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Too bad that few dollars more that you spent on your Cooper couldn't get you an ultralight rifle as they simply have no offering or interest in that market segment. When you start dropping into the sub 6lb scoped realm you had better have a firm grasp of the fundamentals if you hope to shoot small groups. I suspect Cooper doesn't want to go there for this very reason,and I know that a good many of the reports of accuracy problems from Kimbers come from folks with flawed technique off the bench expecting that 6-7lb rifle to make itty bitty groups like their 8lb-9lb Remchester sporter does off the hood of the Chevy.

You have a good point, when shooting an ultra light rifle from a bench you need to have good technique, or you wont be shooting tiny groups. An ultralight rifle isn't as easy to shoot accurately as a tank
 
Yeah it's crazy how the hype seemed to die down regarding the Forbes rifles. Can't for the life of me figure why they went with a 21" barrel on their short action.
I have no experience with Forbes LLC, mines a NULA,built by the man himself.
One thing I can tell you is the tolerances are ridiculously tight on my NULA...almost to a fault and I shudder to think of them being mass produced on an assembly line.
Melvin tried to do almost the exact same thing with Colt a ways back and the finished product was hit and miss. Some would call it a fiasco.
Once again I'm not slagging Forbes LLC as I have not so much as handled their product, and teething problems are likely to happen with any fledgling company. I'm rooting for them.

Did you see the long thread on 24hr CF started by the guy who bought a 20B in 7mm-08? There was even a Canadian owner posting about his woes. Interestingly I have read only good things about the 24B, so I was hoping for awesomeness from the 20B.
 
Did you see the long thread on 24hr CF started by the guy who bought a 20B in 7mm-08? There was even a Canadian owner posting about his woes. Interestingly I have read only good things about the 24B, so I was hoping for awesomeness from the 20B.

Nope,haven't seen that particular thread 1899. I'll go over to the 'fire and see if I can find it.
 
Did you see the long thread on 24hr CF started by the guy who bought a 20B in 7mm-08? There was even a Canadian owner posting about his woes. Interestingly I have read only good things about the 24B, so I was hoping for awesomeness from the 20B.

Just skimmed through first ten pages of that thread. 5lbs,3ozs with a neutered barrel and the fluted bolt...what a joke! Can't believe Forbes claims 4.75lbs on their website.:bsFlag:
Probably 8ozs worth of extra bedding compound in that mess of a stock...that Rancho Loco is one patient dude.
 
Did you see the long thread on 24hr CF started by the guy who bought a 20B in 7mm-08? There was even a Canadian owner posting about his woes. Interestingly I have read only good things about the 24B, so I was hoping for awesomeness from the 20B.

I've been playing with a 24B for a few months and it is working very well for me.
At first I was disappointed in the initial groups I was getting with it, but now its shooting better every time I take it out.
It is all I was looking for in a pure and plain lightweight rifle and I wouldn't really want it any lighter than it is...
 
The Ascent is the "new king" (to quote Gatehouse) of the ultralights, and even old Mel would have to acknowledge that fact.
The only thing that keeps the NULA around besides the .284win chambering is that I feel the stock design fits me slightly better.
I can make three touch @100 every now and again when the stars and planets align, but the majority of the time if I'm shooting for groups they usually end up looking awful close to the various Montanas I've owned...somewheres north of around an inch or so. :p

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The only thing I don't like about the Mountain Ascent is they don't chamber it in 284 win, what a nice package that would make. Good shooting Sun and Steel, its nice to get tight groups like that, even if its only once in while. I topped my Ascent with a Swarovski Z3 3-10x42 BRH, its a nice scope for that rifle.
 
Great shooting Pete,that Ascent looks like a keeper!
You played "Kimber roulette" and walked away a winner.
Now go buy a lottery ticket before your luck runs out. :p

I'll now quit the blatant sarcasm.
 
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Did you see the long thread on 24hr CF started by the guy who bought a 20B in 7mm-08? There was even a Canadian owner posting about his woes.

I am the Canadian owner you referenced. The only positive experience was once again experiencing the outstanding customer service of Prophet River.

Here is my Forbes experience that I posted on the 24hr Campfire thread you reference:

I hesitated to chime in on this thread, but felt I had to after reading it. Recently I ordered a 24B in 270 Win. Got it in short order. Must say that my initial impressions were disappointing. There were areas along the action that the paint never got to. The safety cutout looked like it was done at the society for the blind with a broken dremel tool. As well, the bevel along the right side of the action was very uneven. Finally the trigger - a Timney - had a ton of creep. Then I took the gun apart. Wow. The roughest finish job I have ever imagined seeing. The bottom of the barrel was covered with what Forbes later said was "epoxy filler". Finally, the trigger guard screw was protruding into the mag well.

Does anyone check these things as they leave the factory?

Later that evening I adjust the trigger to lighten it, problem is that it has very little adjustment room as the set screw makes contact with the stock behind the mag well. Nice. Tighten the bolt and put gun back together. Fits now, so I take it apart again to see if I can lighten it a bit more and take the creep out. Gently break the rifle apart and hear a cracking sound. Look at the kitchen table and there are pieces of stock. That thing was as brittle as a potato chip. I am speechless at this point, so I just start to laugh at my bad fortune. I take pictures and email my gun shop and Forbes. Both were very gracious and accommodating, and sent me out a 20B as a replacement.

I chalk it up to bad luck and the fact we all make mistakes.

The replacement arrives the next day. It is every bit as bad as the first, same issues, but in addition this one has a big chunk of epoxy missing from the bedding at the recoil lug. Thankfully, it didn't break, and the trigger had no creep, as one would expect from a Timney. I took pictures of the shoddy workmanship and sent them to my gun dealer. He gave me a full refund no questions asked. Great service from him. You may have noted that I didn't bother sending the email or pictures to Forbes the second time. Why? I can overlook one bad gun. Two? No way in hell. Pure garbage that I will never touch with a ten foot pole. The thing that ticks me off the most is that I sold a mint Finnlight to give Forbes a try. Stupid me.

I have ordered a Kimber Montana 84L to replace this Forbes debacle.

After reading this thread, all I can say is be forewarned. Why buy a gun that costs more, weighs the same, and has a chromoly action? I did, so I could say I had a gun that not many did. Live and learn.

The moral of the story is that even when a good designer passes off production duties to someone else (i.e. Colt and now Titan Machine), don't expect the same as the designer made himself.

Buyer beware. You've been warned.
 
I am the Canadian owner you referenced. The only positive experience was once again experiencing the outstanding customer service of Prophet River.

Here is my Forbes experience that I posted on the 24hr Campfire thread you reference:

I hesitated to chime in on this thread, but felt I had to after reading it. Recently I ordered a 24B in 270 Win. Got it in short order. Must say that my initial impressions were disappointing. There were areas along the action that the paint never got to. The safety cutout looked like it was done at the society for the blind with a broken dremel tool. As well, the bevel along the right side of the action was very uneven. Finally the trigger - a Timney - had a ton of creep. Then I took the gun apart. Wow. The roughest finish job I have ever imagined seeing. The bottom of the barrel was covered with what Forbes later said was "epoxy filler". Finally, the trigger guard screw was protruding into the mag well.

Does anyone check these things as they leave the factory?

Later that evening I adjust the trigger to lighten it, problem is that it has very little adjustment room as the set screw makes contact with the stock behind the mag well. Nice. Tighten the bolt and put gun back together. Fits now, so I take it apart again to see if I can lighten it a bit more and take the creep out. Gently break the rifle apart and hear a cracking sound. Look at the kitchen table and there are pieces of stock. That thing was as brittle as a potato chip. I am speechless at this point, so I just start to laugh at my bad fortune. I take pictures and email my gun shop and Forbes. Both were very gracious and accommodating, and sent me out a 20B as a replacement.

I chalk it up to bad luck and the fact we all make mistakes.

The replacement arrives the next day. It is every bit as bad as the first, same issues, but in addition this one has a big chunk of epoxy missing from the bedding at the recoil lug. Thankfully, it didn't break, and the trigger had no creep, as one would expect from a Timney. I took pictures of the shoddy workmanship and sent them to my gun dealer. He gave me a full refund no questions asked. Great service from him. You may have noted that I didn't bother sending the email or pictures to Forbes the second time. Why? I can overlook one bad gun. Two? No way in hell. Pure garbage that I will never touch with a ten foot pole. The thing that ticks me off the most is that I sold a mint Finnlight to give Forbes a try. Stupid me.

I have ordered a Kimber Montana 84L to replace this Forbes debacle.

After reading this thread, all I can say is be forewarned. Why buy a gun that costs more, weighs the same, and has a chromoly action? I did, so I could say I had a gun that not many did. Live and learn.

The moral of the story is that even when a good designer passes off production duties to someone else (i.e. Colt and now Titan Machine), don't expect the same as the designer made himself.

Buyer beware. You've been warned.

Roaches happen, sucks that it had to happen twice to you,glad Prophet River took good care of you.
If a fella had a dime for every time a product didn't live up to even the most humble of expectations...
 
Great shooting Pete,that Ascent looks like a keeper!
You played "Kimber roulette" and walked away a winner.
Now go buy a lottery ticket before your luck runs out. :p

I'll now quit the blatant sarcasm.
Thanx buddy. Those were 130 gr berger hunting bullets, we'll see how it shoots with some of the other premium bullets. Ye just never know! cheers Pete.
 
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