Bear defense gun?

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Hi all,

Recently thinking about going camping and hunting with a couple of friends of mine. Then we were talking about what to bring for bear (or against any large animals that's potentially life threatening)

so I was looking at the Mare's leg ranch hand with a 12inch barrel which could be used almost as a side arm with a holster, freeing up my hands to do other stuff like carrying a bolt action rifle or something else....

The other option I guess is to get a 12.5" grizzly shotgun barrel and put it on my R 870 and use that instead...but I feel like that's something I would have to carry with my hands all of the time...

can anyone with experience recommend something from their experience?

Thanks!
 
Hi all,

Recently thinking about going camping and hunting with a couple of friends of mine. Then we were talking about what to bring for bear (or against any large animals that's potentially life threatening)

so I was looking at the Mare's leg ranch hand with a 12inch barrel which could be used almost as a side arm with a holster, freeing up my hands to do other stuff like carrying a bolt action rifle or something else....

The other option I guess is to get a 12.5" grizzly shotgun barrel and put it on my R 870 and use that instead...but I feel like that's something I would have to carry with my hands all of the time...


can anyone with experience recommend something from their experience?

Thanks!

Huh? Want to holster a Mare's leg so you can carry a rifle but don't want to carry a shotgun because it takes up both your hands? And since when was there any bears in the GTA? Or since when did any GTA resident travel far enough out to actually worry about bears?
 
Ive never felt the need to have a gun for protection from bears. Yes bear attacks happen, however they are exceedingly rare. Ive lived and worked in Muskoka and Parry Sound districts my whole life, where we certainly have no shortage of bears. I grew up rural, and played in the bush my whole childhood and the thought of a bear defense gun never crossed my mind. All of my jobs as an adult have been working in the bush. No encounters with bears. On my personal time camping same thing; no experiences with bears. All of my experiences have been when ive personally sought them out, or they came to the house/

That said, I think its overkill to carry a mares legs in a holster and a rifle. Anyone you come across is going to think you're Rambo (or worse). If you must have a gun with you, I'd take whatever you feel the absolute most comfortable with, and leave it in its case until needed in the boat or tent or truck or whatever around camp. The highest % chance of a bear encounter is going to be right at your base camp as thats where the food and interesting smells will be.
 
The answer is different for nearly everyone, as everyone's circumstances cover a broad range of possibilities. Are you going far enough north to get into polar bear range? Are you engaging in an activity that might cause you to interact with bears more than simple chance encounters? What is your shooting experience? What is your back country experience? Are you physically fit? Will the bulk of your time be spent on the ground or in a canoe? Will you travel by light plane or helicopter? What is your budget?

Then again the question can be easily answered by saying carry the most powerful rifle you can shoot well, shoot quickly, and carry all day without undue fatigue, but your answers to the questions above will have a definite influence on your final choice. For ease of carrying, nothing beats a traditional lever action rifle, but they are more prone to damage than a handy bolt gun in a fiberglass stock. Still the M-94 .30/30 has served those making a living in the back country as well as recreational hunters for generations. It carries easy, doesn't kick much, and is quick to bring to bear. IMHO, the factory sights on these rifles should be exchanged for a ghost ring and rectangular post. Stay away from the Mare's Leg, unless you intend to put a standard buttstock on it. The point of shooting is hitting, and without a buttstock practical marksmanship is far more challenging than you will appreciate. Moving up the power scale, a .308 or a .30/06 is a good choice, if as I suspect black bears are your primary concern, and about the sensible minimum for polar bears or grizzlies, but not if you are unfamiliar with the rifle you purchase, or if you consider these hard kickers. If you've cut your teeth on bolt actions, and can handle a 9.3X62 or a .375 of some flavor, you could do worse, but then again, if that was the case, you wouldn't have asked the question. If you have the means, you could purchase a dedicated bear rifle, and the internet is full of ideas for custom dangerous game rifles from builders like Brockman and Wild West Guns, and similar rifles can be built by any number of talented Canadian Gun Smiths who will happily build you a $5000+ rifle. If that's not the case, don't get fooled into going the bargain basement route for what is essentially a piece of life saving equipment. You get what you pay for.

The shotgun you have and are familiar with, might trump the rifle you don't. These guns though tend to be bulky compared to rifles, and you would be unable to carry as much ammunition per weight as you would rifle ammo, even if you chose a .45/70 or a .458. The shotgun though has the option of using less lethal ammo, although you should be aware that using this ammo can cause partial barrel obstructions, so ensure your bore is clear before firing a conventional shell. Doesn't that sound like fun if the bear you've attempted to drive away continues to approach, which is one reason why I prefer to have both a scare gun as well as a kill gun. Another reason is that in the spur of the moment, you might shoot a slug when you intend to shoot a rubber slug or shoot a cracker shell when you needed a slug. Cracker shells by the way have a nasty habit of starting fires if the country is dry, so keep that in mind. Should your travel include a helicopter or light plane, a gun that has a collapsible stock and short barrel is a benefit, and a soft case might provide some protection for it.

Regardless of the gun you carry, ensure before you go that its in good mechanical condition. Be sure the sights won't get lost on a dark background particularly if you are going into the thick stuff, and black bears are your concern. Ensure the gun is sighted for the ammo you choose, and that it hits point of aim at close range. Ensure the ammo you choose will cycle through the action without any hic-cups. Carry a sectioned steel cleaning rod with a jag and patches to clear any barrel obstructions. If you don't intend you use less lethal ammo, taping the muzzle of either a rifle or shotgun is beneficial.
 
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I am quite happy with whatever firearm I happen to have with me, and I never go without one........In reality, they need to be way more scared of me than I am of them...............I personally have killed more bears than all the bears in NA have killed people.........Add my kid and guys like H4831 to the mix and it's damn near genocide..............The bears have way more to fear than we do...........
 
OP would be talking about black bears I imagine... you would be better off carrying a lightning rod, to avert the statistically riskier lightning strike... I also carry a belt knife, more for peeling apples than shanking a bear... but you never know.
 
An honest question but a simple search of past threads would have answered the OP's question.
 
I kind of like seeing guys touting a bunch of new rifles at the edge of the bush in the Muskoka’s. Gets everyone from the big smoke used to seeing guns again. Yogi is more likely to walk by and watch then move on than he is to show his position.
Oh for a bear defense gun, any shotgun with slugs or 30 calibre will work.
 
don't be afraid of bears....be afraid of driving to and from toronto, or the stress of living in toronto, or the ####ty food you buy on the road to and from Toronto.
 
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