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The analogy fails anyway, because Hyundai and Porshe are not attempting to make the same vehicle.
Building a Porsche out of Hyundai
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At one point last year Hyundai was the best selling auto maker in the world, which is usually Honda and Toyota fighting for that title.
I would take Hyundai over Chrysler or Chevy any day - I have no faith in companies that cannot avoid bankruptcy without government bail outs.
To the OP I totally agree with you. But it's not just norcs that people do this with - some people think putting a ark angel stock and timney trigger into a mosin 91-30 makes it a $600-700 gun... I could do it myself for cheaper! Customizing cheap guns is not a profit making adventure.
My favorite is when people over pay for parts and assume because they paid so much that's what the added resale value is. Or they think the time they spent working on it adds to take value... that means I can sell my snap on cabinet for like $300 cause I spent the time to assemble it right!? Lawl
Cocked&Locked
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well, when they where available in the states, Norc was the frame of choice for any number of race gun and bull's eye builders. At least according to Jerry Kuhnhausen, but what did he know about 1911's....
some of the components are less then ideal, but then we only see the bottom of the line norc's in Canada and they're still a good deal at the price. Starting with just the frame and slide you can build a better pistol dollar wise then if you start with a frame and slide that cost 3 times as much, but are most likely inferior.
some of the components are less then ideal, but then we only see the bottom of the line norc's in Canada and they're still a good deal at the price. Starting with just the frame and slide you can build a better pistol dollar wise then if you start with a frame and slide that cost 3 times as much, but are most likely inferior.
If you gave a Nork 1911 slide and frame to a smith, and said build me a sweet tight shooting gun, you would still be into it for close to $2000 for the end product. It's more work to get a Nork frame and slide tight as they need to be welded and recut to do it properly. With all the major 1911 makers using CNC machines these days, you can get a sweet tight 1911 for under $1000.
I think that's why people balk at the $800 Norks in the EE....you could have all nice Wilson forged small parts on it, but still a sloppy frame slide fit.
I like my Norc 1911's as 'shooters' only. You can put lip stick on a pig but in the end it's still just that.
If you want to fill your $300 Norc up with lots of $$ of after market parts & put it up on the EE for $800 good luck with that. Anyone who buys & pays for it deserves what they get.
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If you want to fill your $300 Norc up with lots of $$ of after market parts & put it up on the EE for $800 good luck with that. Anyone who buys & pays for it deserves what they get.
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They're a good frame and slide to play with but I'd never pay real money for a gun with a bunch of Wilson or EGW parts fitted by god knows who. For all you know, they've been fitted poorly and are wrecked. I don't buy other people's projects.
I've built up guns on Norinco frames before, a few times. It's a cheap way to play. But it's still a Norinco.
I've built up guns on Norinco frames before, a few times. It's a cheap way to play. But it's still a Norinco.
Here's the first issue, why do you need to work on it? Does it not run out of the box?
Again, what work? Did your Norc not run out of the box? And cheap to own is a useless statement. The cost of a firearm is a fixed cost, replacing parts and feeding them is where the expense lies. Based on all the work and parts needed to polish the turd/Norc your cost is much higher than other brands.
Sorry, Hyundai cars are junk. I rented one last year with less than 4K on the car. When I returned it the engine made noises and the steering was inconsistent as in it jerked and was stiff at certain points. When several salesman for Hyundai tell you their cars are crap, I tend to see that as an unbiased opinion.
TRUE!!
McDonalds sells more hamburgers than anyone else every year too, does that mean they have the best burger in town? Hyundai sells cars because they're cheap, same reason Norinco guns move in volume. Cheap is the only factor for many people when purchasing anything. Walmart is the king of cheap sh*t and they're doing a booming business.
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Looks like this thread has a bit of momentum...might be a while before it's locked, haha! Every once in a while, there has to be a "I hate Norc" thread pop up, seems to be the norm around here.....but yeah, IBTL.
Norinco quality isn't too bad, my 1911 nickel finish Norc is stock, and with minimal work is a good, smooth shooter.
Hint: when buying a Norc 1911 etc do not rack the slide to test the feel, believe me its gritty... Before you play with it completely tear it down and clean it. Then polish (not sand) smooth the internal slide contact points etc. lube it up and ta- da.. A nice smooth racking, smooth shooting 1911 no parts needed. If picky than replace the trigger, mag release, and pick up some nice mags (cheep). Thats all it really needs to be a good range shooter for minimal bucks.
its hard to justify $2000 + for a pistol.... My beretta inox (italian) just under a grand and a great shooter with great history. No mods needed. Looks great and shoot strait right out of the box.
Hint: when buying a Norc 1911 etc do not rack the slide to test the feel, believe me its gritty... Before you play with it completely tear it down and clean it. Then polish (not sand) smooth the internal slide contact points etc. lube it up and ta- da.. A nice smooth racking, smooth shooting 1911 no parts needed. If picky than replace the trigger, mag release, and pick up some nice mags (cheep). Thats all it really needs to be a good range shooter for minimal bucks.
its hard to justify $2000 + for a pistol.... My beretta inox (italian) just under a grand and a great shooter with great history. No mods needed. Looks great and shoot strait right out of the box.
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If you think about it though, if you want to learn how to work on a gun and be able to fit parts and play around and learn, I would much rather learn on a $300 gun than a $1000+ gun.
Some people want to learn how to do a trigger job or how to fit parts and personalize. I can see the draw of customizing it and making it their own, I just don't agree with charging through the nose for it once they want to sell their frankennork
Some people want to learn how to do a trigger job or how to fit parts and personalize. I can see the draw of customizing it and making it their own, I just don't agree with charging through the nose for it once they want to sell their frankennork
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Gus, I see posts in EE sections like: "Selling Norinco 911 with $500 of upgrades for $800".
Why would anyone do that? Are you guys trying to make a Porsche out of a Hyundai? It still going to be a Hyundai, you now that. And why would anyone buy it if you can by a brand new Remington, Ruger and line of other brand names in model 911?
I bought very few cheap guns in my life, I played with them and sold them. If I liked the style, I saved up money and bought a really nice gun or rifle. That's the investment. Life is too short to play with ugly rifles.
Not really possible and by the time you make one. It will cost you more than buying a porsche.
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This is why I started with a Norc. Mine worked great just the way it came, but I wanted to learn a bit about how 1911's work and how to fit the parts. Mine is one of the Canada Ammo deal ones, so I count it as $170 because I was going to buy the ammo anyway. I might have been better off buying a Spartan, but then I wouldn't have the satisfaction of out shooting people with expensive guns with a Norc. Sometimes it's about the journey, not the destination.
Kristian
Non-Hyundai? other then Kia of course.... Also the same kinda crap.
And where does $2000 for a 1911 factor in? You can get a decent SAM for $450? Kick ass 1911's under $1000....there are tons of really good guns out there now.
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Nothing! My Hyundai Entourage was the BEST ( or safest at least!) minivan of 2007. 4 star safety rating front side and rear. I looked at new loaded Honda , Toyota , and Hyundai minivans and picked the Hyundai as the best =safest option. It is still an excellent vehicle 7 years later. The newer Hyundais are high quality vehicles.
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