What WON'T a Mosin Nagant Kill?

Ormachek said:
Nothing on legs in North America. Outside of a zoo.

Or, if you ask a few guys I know, whitetail deer outside of 50 yards. 300 win mag is minimum for them ya know!
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So true. My buddy whos still waiting for his PAL to come seems to think his first gun HAS to be a Browning X-bolt in 300wm. He thinks you can't hunt moose with anything less. Savage Axis in 30-06? Thats a kids toy!

Northman999 said:
6.72 x 54R is a russky 30-06 and just needs to be regarded as such.
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Why does everyone compare cartridges to ones they are NOT equivalent to?? If anything the x54r is equal to the 308. It is clearly inferior to the 30-06. (Not by a large amount, but numbers are numbers.) x54r has a larger case capacity than 308, but a lower pressure. 30-06 has both higher pressure and larger case capacity. For a given bullet weight, the 30-06 pushes the bullet around 100fps faster than the other two.

Reminds me of people claiming x39 is equivalent to the 30-30, which its not....

As for the OP, There is nothing in North America you can't kill with it, but I dont think you can legally hunt Bison (at least in BC) with it. You need a certain caliber, bullet weight, and energy for bison, and it doesn't meet the energy requirements I dont think. (The 30-06 is considering the absolute minimum I think)
 
Boomer said:
I challenge anyone to fire 10 rounds rapid fire out of the carbine, from prone at a 300 yard target, in weather warm enough that a T-shirt is the appropriate apparel, and tell me that they didn't loose focus long before they got the 10th round away. QUOTE]

I did that at 100yrds last sat while trying to figure out how high the damned thing was hitting. Not so bad but not pleasant either. Once the calluses build you will be ok.
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Suther said:
Why does everyone compare cartridges to ones they are NOT equivalent to?? If anything the x54r is equal to the 308. It is clearly inferior to the 30-06. (Not by a large amount, but numbers are numbers.) x54r has a larger case capacity than 308, but a lower pressure. 30-06 has both higher pressure and larger case capacity. For a given bullet weight, the 30-06 pushes the bullet around 100fps faster than the other two.

Reminds me of people claiming x39 is equivalent to the 30-30, which its not....
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Which, from any practical game killing perspective, is insignificant. 100fps difference with cartridges shooting 168gr projectiles at ~2700fps doesn't matter. It's all up to the shooter at that point. Where the 30-06 does see a tangible benefit is when shooting 200+gr bullets.

As for the .30-30 vs 7.62x39, they're both effective 100 yard deer killers. Any advantage the .30-30 has is not significant in almost any practical sense. They're both light recoiling and effective in the ranges that most deer are shot in. You can push that out a little further using specialized ammunition like Leverevolution for the .30-30.

So really, both of them only see marginal benefits under specific circumstances.
 
The question should be " what won't a 180gr bullet at 2600fps kill?". Not much in NA, that's for sure. The Mosin is just packaging.
 
joe-nwt said:
The question should be " what won't a 180gr bullet at 2600fps kill?". Not much in NA, that's for sure. The Mosin is just packaging.
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One of the best analogies I've seen around here in a long time,that's for sure,taking the name of the cartridge out of the equation evens things up quite a bit doesn't it?
 
Maybe someone at Huber Concepts read my earlier post because I got an email from them describing an after market fully adjustable trigger they make for the Mosen. If I still had one of these rifles, I'd roll the dice and spend the $100 USD to get one. They make triggers using the same design for a number of other milsurp rifles, and as well, so if you have a rifle with a trigger that could be better, go to their website and watch the Mosin Nagant Anti-friction Ball Trigger video.
 
I know fellows that claim they need that 8mm STW for hunting deer / Moose in Sask...:redface:

If you are shooting dangerous game, I'd get a big magnum too. Really; no sarcasm at all, animals that can maim you or kill / eat you scare me quite frankly. I have no desire to hunt them and have respect for those who do.
The fact that you can take an elephant with a 7 X 57 ( or potentially a M/N, because I've never heard of it) doesn't change the other fact that a 375 H & H can do it much more efficiently.
But if you show up WT hunting with a 375 H & H...I'm laughing at you. You are swatting gnats with a hammer.
Sorry, I'd get laughed at on the Savanna if I drug out a 30-30, so the turn-about is fair IMO
 
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Boomer said:
Sometimes you have to actually use something for a while to really appreciate its strengths and/or shortcomings. The 7.62X54R is virtually a ballistic twin of the .30/06 and anything the '06 can do, the commie .30 can do equally well when fired from similar rifles. But there's the fly in the ointment. The 7.62X54R is never chambered in rifles that are commonly encountered in western markets, not that the cartridge isn't capable, but the case design is awkward for modern bolt actions to accommodate, whereas the more conventionally designed 7.62X39 and its offspring have developed a following in Western markets and are manufactured by at least a couple of Western arms manufacturers.

The Mosin Nagant rifle comes with so many built in limitations that it is little wonder no one has ever been tempted to bring out a custom sporter version, although the carbine version has sort of an appealing look that might tempt someone to try. The split bridge does not allow for convenient scope mounting, or a ghost ring for that matter. The trigger is poor, being long and creepy with what seems like a mile of over travel, no feel for sear engagement can be established, and as far as I know there is nothing in the aftermarket word that improves upon that. Then there's the stock. The stock truly makes you wonder what the Soviets had against their own soldiers, despite it's obvious suitability as a bludgeoning weapon. I challenge anyone to fire 10 rounds rapid fire out of the carbine, from prone at a 300 yard target, in weather warm enough that a T-shirt is the appropriate apparel, and tell me that they didn't loose focus long before they got the 10th round away. Perhaps the rifle version is heavy enough to mitigate the effect of that wicked curved steel butt plate but I'd sooner shoot 10 rounds prone from a .416 Rigby than try to hold the carbine for 10 without some artificial padding. I've never been described as a Weatherby fan, but compared to the Mosin Nagant, a MK-V in .300 Weatherby is a gift from the gods.
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I would far rather shoot my. 375 Ruger 20 times from prone than a MN 5 times from prone. Woodchoppers damn Nagant had me almost want to whimper a bit when shooting prone at the first Haggisfest Shoot Out in Lone Butte.
 
I think the rifle stands out as a solid work horse that wont let you down, but the bullet itself fits along the 308,30.06 category. That said, I hunt with my Mosins and 203 gr soft points. Whatever I hit, falls over fast.
 
Gatehouse said:
I would far rather shoot my. 375 Ruger 20 times from prone than a MN 5 times from prone. Woodchoppers damn Nagant had me almost want to whimper a bit when shooting prone at the first Haggisfest Shoot Out in Lone Butte.
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Yup, the damn stock on the M-38 I had almost had me convinced that powerful rifles would be beyond me. But I seem to do alright after all.
 
If anyone says a Mosin is hard on the shoulder, this 105 pound girl will tell you your a pathetic wimp. She fired over 30 rounds exactly the way she is in the picture.


 
fiddler said:
If anyone says a Mosin is hard on the shoulder, this 105 pound girl will tell you your a pathetic wimp. She fired over 30 rounds exactly the way she is in the picture.
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This is great, but the real recoil happens when you are prone or on a bench. Kneeling and standing both let your body move and spreads the recoil alot smoother. On the other hand, some people that shoot often still have bad posture / technique which can also result into unnecessary shoulder pain. Of course, they would never admit this here lol..

You can tell her posture is good, with what seems like a decent cheek weld and a relaxed but firm handle. For some reason, my experience with women is that they shoot better and complain less about recoil. I'm guessing their smaller mass gets tossed around easier so they dissipate the recoil more efficiently? Whereas guys are "tough" and fight the recoil, which is stupid. I guess I've never really thought about it before.

Cute lady by the way :)
 
Slaymoar said:
This is great, but the real recoil happens when you are prone or on a bench. Kneeling and standing both let your body move and spreads the recoil alot smoother. On the other hand, some people that shoot often still have bad posture / technique which can also result into unnecessary shoulder pain. Of course, they would never admit this here lol..



Cute lady by the way :)
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Moral of the story: One should learn to shoot without a bench or shooting press. ;)

and shes more than just cute...


Ladies: Does it kick hard

Men: Mine Bruises more than yours
 
TheLonelyMarksman said:
With the right load, what will keep on trucking after a hit or two from a mosin? :confused:

This question's been bothering me.

A blue whale maybe?
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Ohhhh... You're talking about SHOOTING from a Mosin... for a while I thought you were talking about a hit or two as a club, or with bayo attached as a spear... that's where the Mosin shines. When you run out of ammo you can club to death anything in NA with it.

Sorry, couldn't resist. lol
 
condomboy said:
Ohhhh... You're talking about SHOOTING from a Mosin... for a while I thought you were talking about a hit or two as a club, or with bayo attached as a spear... that's where the Mosin shines. When you run out of ammo you can club to death anything in NA with it.

Sorry, couldn't resist. lol
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i just picked on up this weekend. that bayo is pretty crazy. i plan on mounting a scope on mine and using it for deer this fall.
 
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