What WON'T a Mosin Nagant Kill?

Gatehouse said:
Recoil doesn't differentiate on gender.

I've shot lots of far more powerful cartridges than a 7.62x 54 , from all types of shooting positions, and few have felt a so obnoxious as shooting a MN prone while wearing a T- shirt.

Stock design, rifle fit to the shooter, recoil pad and shooting position all play a part in FELT are recoil. I've never considered myself a wussy, mostly because I know about these things. ;)
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Indeed and Methinks these rifles were made for beefy farmers wearing thick -60 rated winter coats. The butt plates are to protect the rifle while caving in enemy helmets not to protect the shooters shoulder, lol.

During one t-shirt summer I used a small rolled up towel draped over my shoulder to ease the Mosin shooting experience.
 
I went out shooting for the first time ever yesterday, took a couple shots out of the sks, then was offered to try a m44 mosin. I was quite intimidated at first but when I shot, was pleasantly surprised. this was my first time ever seeing, hearing or firing a firearm, and tbh the most painful part was the gun shot on my ears aha.
 
tokguy said:
I don't think I can post it; the video is likely too large to manage ( and I'm a little sketchy on how). But her kid sister shooting grapefruit offhand with an M44 and Czech surplus is good watching too.
I find it quite amusing when 'us men' get all bent out of shape when a woman shoots at our level; or even...gasp... surpasses us!
News flash there Archie Bunker, girl's shoot really well when they are inclined to.
A whole bunch of dead Germans in the FSU are testament to that fact. Soviet Women snipers proved quite apt at their task
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Actually, I'm much happier in the company of women who display a level of competence around guns, who can shoot, and who enjoy shooting, than I am around those who would rather we were all disarmed. The goal of the teacher is to be eclipsed by his student; when that happens to a shooting coach, by a female student, the correct response is one of celebration, rather than envy. Any shooter worthy of the name should be able to appreciate excellence when demonstrated by any other shooter.
 
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Boomer said:
Actually, I'm much happier in the company of women who display a level of competence around guns, who can shoot, and who enjoy shooting, than I am around those who would rather we were all disarmed. The goal of the teacher is to be eclipsed by his student; when that happens to a shooting coach, by a female student, the correct response is one of celebration, rather than envy. Any shooter worthy of the name should be able to appreciate excellence when demonstrated by any other shooter.
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I fully concur on that one. The gals have no hangups on the technical crap that guys have & once they have an understanding of basic operation of the weapon, safety protocols and sight picture, then the fun begins.:)
 
SHELL SHUCKER said:
No sweat. Way bigger have been nuked with a .357 revolver and long bows.
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A 10 gauge slug to the chest (766grain) did not stop it from charging, the second shot to the face stopped it at 20 feet away. But how brave of you to say when you weren't there. My buddy shot it in his driveway at his farm. There was 3 the same size at the same time. My condolences to your family and your long bow that was used as a toothpick.


BTW, its in the 400 pound range. Its balls were bigger than my fists

 
So does that mean that you pushed the critter into attacking your position by harassing it with equipment, or
did the beasty just come rushing out of the blue to get at you? One guy on the forum mentioned that a guy
pissed off a bear by trying to chase/harass it with a Bobcat. The bear took exception to this and pulled the idiot
out of the toy and ate 'em.

If one is actually good at hunting bear, then the weapon of choice will not need to be an elephant class device.:) 10 bore is a great gun to have in close quarters though for "ole blackie".
 
Fiddler, a chest shot is a killing shot, and a good initial shot choice for the bear hunter. But a chest shot is not a stopping shot, so it is a poor shot to use in a defensive situation. If the purpose of shooting is to prevent the bear from making contact, a chest shot is the wrong way to do it; the brain will not run out of oxygen in time to save you. A CNS shot, or a shot that breaks a big supporting bone, which provides you with sufficient time to follow up with a CNS shot, are the only two shots that can be counted on to stop a big bear's forward progression. A .308, a .30/06 or a 7.62X54R, each represents a practical and intelligent minimum power level for this sort of work, provided they are loaded with good bullets that will hold together at close range, high velocity, impacts on heavy bone, so they can break the bone then penetrate deeply to cause massive bleeding in the soft tissue beyond that bone. Sounds like your pal got it right, the first shot failed to produce the desired effect, and correctly, rather than attempting another chest shot, he made the head shot. Had he used a .577 NE, the results would have been exactly the same, but it isn't evidence that the 7.62X54R, properly loaded, isn't up to the task.
 
Boomer said:
Fiddler, a chest shot is a killing shot, and a good initial shot choice for the bear hunter. But a chest shot is not a stopping shot, so it is a poor shot to use in a defensive situation. If the purpose of shooting is to prevent the bear from making contact, a chest shot is the wrong way to do it; the brain will not run out of oxygen in time to save you. A CNS shot, or a shot that breaks a big supporting bone, which provides you with sufficient time to follow up with a CNS shot, are the only two shots that can be counted on to stop a big bear's forward progression. A .308, a .30/06 or a 7.62X54R, each represents a practical and intelligent minimum power level for this sort of work, provided they are loaded with good bullets that will hold together at close range, high velocity, impacts on heavy bone, so they can break the bone then penetrate deeply to cause massive bleeding in the soft tissue beyond that bone. Sounds like your pal got it right, the first shot failed to produce the desired effect, and correctly, rather than attempting another chest shot, he made the head shot. Had he used a .577 NE, the results would have been exactly the same, but it isn't evidence that the 7.62X54R, properly loaded, isn't up to the task.
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Nicely worded and informed posting. Well done and not inflammatory toward either side.
Well put, IMO ( no veiled sarcasm either, I would strive toward that I can post as well as this)
 
The 7.62X54r is roughly equivalent to the .308/30.06 and with proper bonded or mono metal bullets, will work just fine on almost all game in North America. If I were going to hunt grizzlies or the other big bears, I'd choose a muzzle braked .338 WM or more likely a .375 Ruger or H&H. When one of the big bears comes for you, you want a bigger calibre and preferably Barnes TSX bullets or equivalent.
 
Calum said:
Indeed and Methinks these rifles were made for beefy farmers wearing thick -60 rated winter coats. The butt plates are to protect the rifle while caving in enemy helmets not to protect the shooters shoulder, lol.

During one t-shirt summer I used a small rolled up towel draped over my shoulder to ease the Mosin shooting experience.
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Maybe the stock fits me as I like a short length of pull, but the Mosin is a pussycat. A 9 lb rifle with .308 power, pretty tame. Before the death of the CSRA I used the Mosin in a few service rifle matches. 100 rounds in about two hours, 1/3 of which are prone and I had no issues shooting 174 grain bullets.
 
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