Converted Caliber Antiques- The Catch-22 The CFC has created
- Thread starter IRUNGUNS
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Just so people know whats going on, im gona give Garry B a few weeks to deal with the info then call him and see whats up then i will start a post here in the BP and antique section with his email contact info and then everyone that comes on here can bombard him wirth emails .
That way he wont think its just me upset at theses new Rules but a large number of people.
Anyway thats the plan so far. things move slow in politics and its summer to.
Sounds good. I think we should also talk with our local MP's at that time and let them know that we would like them to support Garry B's initiative. I know many of us sent out letters earlier, but this is important enough for a sustained effort. Dingus' move here is a great follow up from the initial letters.
I don't know if anyone has seen this before but I was able to get a copy of the CFC's policy change. I also have an email from a tech explaining the change to their policy.
The OP's problem makes more sense now with the newer way they give out antique letters. You have to register the gun so they can double check that it is infact antique then deregister it and issue a letter. With the "policy change" once it's registered you are screwed, even if it had been an antique for a couple years already.
Its been like that for years you do and online application thru there web site that basicly registers the gun then the Tec decides if the gun meets the antique status and gives you a letter. then that gun is not registered.
The online process asks which Tec you got the OK on to do the letter so as long as you call a tec first you shouldnt have any problems.
I been doing the online application process for years now you have to apply for a GCKey thing before you can even apply for a letter its alot more complicated than before.
But you have always had to do the online registration then the gun gets kicked back out as antique there is a record of everything of course thats why they do the letters for free.
Of course if you use the letter you made (41 colts letter) you avoid the entire process
I don't know if anyone has seen this before but I was able to get a copy of the CFC's policy change. I also have an email from a tech explaining the change to their policy.
Note the wording of SOR-98/464; it does not say:
".....other than a handgun originally designed or adapted to discharge...."
Just be aware.
Yes i agree cyclone there adding stuff.
theres also a loop hole they left open see right at the very bottom of the page
Section 3
iii If the ORIGINAL caliber configeration is not available then the gun can be granted antique status.
That leaves open a loop hole . i know if you get a letter from the seller saying they do not know what the original caliber was then the rcmp will letter that gun antique they will require pictures tho.
Its not much but its something i noticed.
theres also a loop hole they left open see right at the very bottom of the page
Section 3
iii If the ORIGINAL caliber configeration is not available then the gun can be granted antique status.
That leaves open a loop hole . i know if you get a letter from the seller saying they do not know what the original caliber was then the rcmp will letter that gun antique they will require pictures tho.
Its not much but its something i noticed.
Hoplite Tactical Supplies
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I've seen lots of factory letters that actually just said "we can't find anything about that firearm". Sometimes they speculate based on date of manufacture as to the finish and type of stocks, but not all factory letters provide proof of calibre and date of manufacture.
Their rationale at the bottom is problematic. They state that ‘when the firearm was manufactured in a named caliber and further re-chambered in a non-named caliber, the antique status cannot be applied. It is not possible to go back in time and make an antique firearm out of a non-antique firearm.’
The difficulty in maintaining this rationale is that it permits an antique firearm to be re-chambered in a named caliber, since by the same rationale it would not be possible to go back in time and make a non-antique firearm out of an antique firearm. (e.g., one could acquire a Colt 1873 originally chambered in 455 Eley and re-chamber it in 45 Colt, since it is impossible to go back in time and make the Colt a non-antique). Of course, this would not be permitted.
Bottom Line: If one can ‘adapt’ an antique firearm to take a named cartridge and, therefore, make it a non-antique, then by the same rationale, one can ‘adapt’ a gun originally chambered in a named cartridge to take an antique cartridge to make it conform to antique standards.
The difficulty in maintaining this rationale is that it permits an antique firearm to be re-chambered in a named caliber, since by the same rationale it would not be possible to go back in time and make a non-antique firearm out of an antique firearm. (e.g., one could acquire a Colt 1873 originally chambered in 455 Eley and re-chamber it in 45 Colt, since it is impossible to go back in time and make the Colt a non-antique). Of course, this would not be permitted.
Bottom Line: If one can ‘adapt’ an antique firearm to take a named cartridge and, therefore, make it a non-antique, then by the same rationale, one can ‘adapt’ a gun originally chambered in a named cartridge to take an antique cartridge to make it conform to antique standards.
I like the way you think
Yes i agree with you but typical RCMP they want things to turn they way they want not the way we want.
It blows me away that with all the things going on in this country real crimes being commited every hour that they want to spend man hours on something like this (i let Gary B know my thoughts on this as well). i still think its because they dont like deregistering handguns there count on file was getting smaller or something or they dont like the paperwork im not sure.
Also Hoplite is right about factory colt letters ive seen lots where it just said 44 c for the caliber some dont say anything and some give lots of details just depends on the records on file. alot dont list barrel length either or the finish.
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BrotherRockeye
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I caught that too, and it's a good point.
The bold text would be a good way to challenge their "policy"
How could they possibly deny the letter since their own policy NOW states that once an antique/non antique, always so.
Talk about having yer head so far up yer arse you get a shoulder in trying to pull it out...
Shooting Bastard
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- Coastal BC
So, if I have a Colt factory letter, for my 1873 SAA, now a .38 sp, stating that it started it's life as a 45 LC, along with a RCMP letter, should I be burning that Colt letter?
Feeling pretty happy that my gunsmith insisted on the RCMP letter, before he'd sign the gun into his book. And, pretty glad that I ended up getting my sister, who has no RPAL, to obtain the letter...
To have all that your letters must be pre rcmp policy change. they are not worried about guns before the policy came into effect so you should keep your letters. just make a copy of that policy change and keep it with your dated letters.
My view on this is that the RCMP are (in this case) operating in a manner contrary to Canadian law. I think their dept lawyers should be consulted to ascertain the legal status of their actions. But my overall impression of this whole mess is that one should not vote for the major parties at all. Tell your government just how disappointed (pissed off) you are because of their actions. It is not as if any of the big three parties are going to see logic- they all have an agenda and that involves disarming the lot of you. So I ask you- what do you have to lose.
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