Compact scope - Ruger 10/22 Take Down

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Hi All,

I just bought a 10/22 T/D tactical model (threaded barrel with flash hider, blued finish) from my LGS. Love it!

However, I want to put a compact optic on it with some magnification. It needs to be compact, unless I go with quick-release rings/mounts, since it otherwise won't fit into the handy little bag Ruger includes with the gun. Yes, I've done LOTS of searches all over the place, and I've seen people recommend all kinds of scopes. Some designed for rimfire (parallax adjusted for 50 yards or AO/EFR), some not. I want a dedicated Rimfire or A/O scope.

So far, I like the look of the Leupold FX-I 4x28, as shown on this 10/22 T/D tactical (this is not my gun; mine is the same though but blued instead of SS):

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But the Leupold is $300! Best price I've seen so far is Reliable Gun in Vancouver for $289. Most places around $310. I'm sure its awesome, but can it be had for less $ anywhere else? Where is the best price on Leupold?

Or can you guys recommend anything else for my gun? I love Nikon, but most I've seen are a bit large. I guess the Nikon P22 is a possibility, although I see mixed reports of it fitting in the Ruger bag. I think the scope should likely be under 10" (maybe 11") long. I see lots of people talking about the Leapers/UTG Bugbuster, but i'm not sure about their quality-control.

cheers!
 
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$300 for a decent, specialized optics sounds like a good deal to me. I have a cheap Bushnell I'll sell you and you can cut it to size. Laugh2
 
More digging last night online, and it seems lots of guys are buying the Nikon 3x32 P223.

Size-wise it's perfect. Problem is...it's parallax-set for 100 yards, which apparently is bad for most of my rimfire shooting which is done inside 50 yards. I've been reading about parallax and it seems that the biggest effect of parallax error is at higher magnifications (say 9x) as opposed to 3x.

I found some great, very detailed explanations about parallax and need to crunch the numbers to see just how much error I can expect with a 3x32 scope with 100 yard parallax when shooting 25 to 50 yards.

How many of you have practical shooting experience with this type of setup?

Thanks!
 
I don't know how much help it'll be but I've got a Leupold VX-II 2-7x33 on mine which is about 11" and it fits in the bag, albeit without using the velcro flap. I was also able to get the parallax adjusted down from 150y to rimfire distances through Korth.
 
Whenever I think of an optic for a .22lr "tactical" semi-auto rifle, the UltraDot always comes to mind(fast, compact, light and robust), But you want magnification….
 
johNTO said:
Whenever I think of an optic for a .22lr "tactical" semi-auto rifle, the UltraDot always comes to mind(fast, compact, light and robust), But you want magnification….
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I have a Vortex Strike Fire red dot on my SR22, so that is my "tactical" 22. I'm kinda wanting this 10/22T/D to be a bit more versatile, perhaps even a gopher gun. My intent was not "tacticool", even though it has the factory flash hider and shorter length than the average 10/22.
 
gopher73 said:
I have a Vortex Strike Fire red dot on my SR22, so that is my "tactical" 22. I'm kinda wanting this 10/22T/D to be a bit more versatile, perhaps even a gopher gun. My intent was not "tacticool", even though it has the factory flash hider and shorter length than the average 10/22.
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Reddot optics work just fine for gopher work.

TDC
 
TDC said:
Reddot optics work just fine for gopher work.

TDC
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Not if you whack 'em at 177yds. (best of the year.. so far..)

But back on topic- OP maybe message shooterschoice.ca they can get pretty much any Leupold product and usually at better prices too. May not be on his site but a quick email would let you know what is available.
 
Well, I've pretty much narrowed it down to 6 choices:

1) UTG "Bug Buster" 3-9x32 or 6x32
Pros: price, A/O, size, features, hundreds of positive reviews online for every negative one
Cons: not sold in any LGS near me, so can't inspect before purchase, some reports online of occasional bad q/c


2) Nikon P223 3x32

Pros: ideal size, Nikon quality optics, reasonable price for quality glass

Cons: no A/O, parallax-set for 100 yards = possible frustration with accuracy at shorter range shooting due to PE? Please comment if you have something to say about this...


3) Leopold FX-I 4x32 rimfire

Pros: perfect size, Leopold quality
Cons: High price, no A/O, not stocked in any LGS that I can find, so can't evaluate before purchase.

4) Nikon P22 2-7x32 rimfire
Pros: Nikon quality glass at reasonable price

Cons: no A/O, not stocked in any LGS so can't evaluate, size a bit bigger than would prefer although some say it will sorta fit in the t/d bag with scope mounted.

5) Bushnell AR optics AR22 2-7x32 rimfire

Pros: A/O via side focus knob, price, Bushnell reputation for decent quality for the $

Cons: a bit bigger than preferred, not sure if it would fit the Ruger bag while attached. Also, annoying "nub" on bottom of scope means must use medium height rings or higher unless I take a dremel to my Picatinny rail. So possible cheek-weld issues?

6) Bushnell TRS25 RDS

Pros: size, price, quality
Cons: no magnification, and it seems to me that most people who buy these end up selling later and upgrading to a scope for the 10/22 t/d

Maybe I'm over-analyzing, but I just don't like making buying decisions without doing so.
 
One more to add to the list - just seen and handled one of these at a LGS over lunch hour:

7) Leupold VX-1 2-7x28 rimfire
Pros: perfect size, excellent quality. Probably a better choice than the other Leupold FX-I mentioned in previous post.
Cons: $300.


After looking at this Leupold VX-1 and actually handling it, I'm starting to question the need for AO. I'm sure its nice to have for precision target shooting, but maybe not as important as I thought? Wow, I sure loved that scope...I'm just trying to justify spending that much to buy it.
 
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gopher73 said:
One more to add to the list - just seen and handled one of these at a LGS over lunch hour:

7) Leupold VX-1 2-7x32 rimfire
Pros: perfect size, excellent quality. Probably a better choice than the other Leupold FX-I mentioned in previous post.
Cons: $300.


After looking at this Leupold VX-1 and actually handling it, I'm starting to question the need for AO. I'm sure its nice to have for precision target shooting, but maybe not as important as I thought? Wow, I sure loved that scope...I'm just trying to justify spending that much to buy it.
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I have this scope on a Browning TBolt in 17 HMR, which is a light little gun so I wanted to keep it that way, so far I'm pretty happy.
And it's a 28mm objective, not 32.
Also check out the Redfield Revolution 2-7x32. A bit bigger than the Leupold, but still pretty compact and a tough scope for the money with good optics. I actually prefer the slightly heavier reticle to the Leupold rimfire and the optics are as clear, if not a touch better. Basically, you're getting Leupold quality without the name that costs extra. I have one on a 10/22 and another on a Benelli MR1 which is my truck rifle, so it's seen some rough use.
 
You're right - it's a 28mm objective. Corrected in my post.

The LGS happened to have both the scope and a 10/22 t/d in stock so I got to test fit it. The 10" length of the VX-1 was about perfect.

Is there a rimfire model of the Redfield Revolution? Because the only one I found with 2-7x32 is parallax-set for 150 yards.
 
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Is there a rimfire model of the Redfield Revolution? Because the only one I found with 2-7x32 is parallax-set for 150 yards.
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I don't think there is, I'm not really concerned over parallax on my 10/22 and you probably shouldn't be either unless you do some major aftermarket tweaking. They're not known as tack drivers, especially the takedowns. :D
 
The bugbuster has rather thick crosshairs, ok for plinking or gophers, but the TD isn't a target gun either. I have a fixed 6x on a modded air gun and a 3-9 for some other use whenever the mood strikes. For the price, good option.
 
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I don't think there is, I'm not really concerned over parallax on my 10/22 and you probably shouldn't be either unless you do some major aftermarket tweaking. They're not known as tack drivers, especially the takedowns. :D
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Maybe I am too concerned about parallax, and I do understand the fact that the 10/22 T/D isn't exactly a precision rifle. But all things considered, I'd like it to be as accurate as it can be. Considering the fact that parallax error is real, using that Redfield Revolution with its 150 yard parallax can result in error of at least a half inch at a shooting distance of 25 yards (since most of my shooting is between 25 and 50 yards).

Reference: http://www.rimfirebenchrest.com/articles/parallax.html

Maximum PE = 0.5 D (ABS(t-p))/p

Using a 3-9X32mm scope, where objective diameter, D = 32mm, parallax range of scope (p) = 150 yards, and the user desires to calculate maximum parallax error for target ranges (t) at 25 yards. Using the equation above, we get:

Maximum PE @ 25 yards = 0.5 * 32* ABS(25-150)/150 = 13.33mm or 0.52493 inches.

Remember - this is with the reticle cross hairs always on target, the only variable being how far off-centre one's eye is positioned behind the scope. And it gets worse when one factors in magnification!
 
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gopher73 said:
Maybe I am too concerned about parallax, and I do understand the fact that the 10/22 T/D isn't exactly a precision rifle. But all things considered, I'd like it to be as accurate as it can be. Considering the fact that parallax error is real, using that Redfield Revolution with its 150 yard parallax can result in error of at least a half inch at a shooting distance of 25 yards (since most of my shooting is between 25 and 50 yards).

Reference: http://www.rimfirebenchrest.com/articles/parallax.html

Maximum PE = 0.5 D (ABS(t-p))/p

Using a 3-9X32mm scope, where objective diameter, D = 32mm, parallax range of scope (p) = 150 yards, and the user desires to calculate maximum parallax error for target ranges (t) at 25 yards. Using the equation above, we get:

Maximum PE @ 25 yards = 0.5 * 32* ABS(25-150)/150 = 13.33mm or 0.52493 inches.

Remember - this is with the reticle cross hairs always on target, the only variable being how far off-centre one's eye is positioned behind the scope. And it gets worse when one factors in magnification!
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That's a lot to digest for a squirrel gun/plinker, but you're of course free to choose the scope that makes you feel confident.
 
gopher73 said:
One more to add to the list - just seen and handled one of these at a LGS over lunch hour:

7) Leupold VX-1 2-7x28 rimfire
Pros: perfect size, excellent quality. Probably a better choice than the other Leupold FX-I mentioned in previous post.
Cons: $300.


After looking at this Leupold VX-1 and actually handling it, I'm starting to question the need for AO. I'm sure its nice to have for precision target shooting, but maybe not as important as I thought? Wow, I sure loved that scope...I'm just trying to justify spending that much to buy it.
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It's a great scope….worth the $$
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