Glock redemption....

TDC said:
That's great, the problem is still the shooter. Shooting a slow fire tiny group at distance is great if you're into shooting tiny slow fire groups at stationary targets. Shoot those same groups while under the clock or other external pressures and now you possess a skill set that impresses. Shooting with top level folks doesn't mean he's learning anything, doesn't mean he's learning proper technique and doesn't mean he's demonstrating proper technique. You can't learn through osmosis. As for his short time with handguns. Some people are fast learners, others not so much. This isn't rocket science, its the fundamentals and there aren't that many to learn, its mastering them that takes time.

A pic of a ragged hole doesn't tell you much. Other variables are unknown and we don't know what the shooter was trying to accomplish. If tiny groups are the goal then most people have the wrong gun for the job as most autos are service pistols with coarse sights and reliability being more important than inherent accuracy.

If the shooter is looking to compete in an action shooting type discipline or defensive training, then a service pistol is more than adequate. I simply don't have any interest in tiny slow fire groups, they're boring and pointless, especially with a service pistol. No one who competes or carries for a living ever shoots for groups, which makes them pointless in the grand scheme of things.

Tdc
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So true, when we shoot it is with the emphasis on shooting as fast as we can as accurately as we can, if you can cover your grouping with your hand your doing it right. When we punch tight little groups we get told to shoot faster.
 
redddogg69 said:
So true, when we shoot it is with the emphasis on shooting as fast as we can as accurately as we can, if you can cover your grouping with your hand your doing it right. When we punch tight little groups we get told to shoot faster.
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Whew! Thank goodness! Now I know I'm doing it right. So... 5 to 6 inch groups are what a handgun shooter should aim for (?).
 
6MT said:
Whew! Thank goodness! Now I know I'm doing it right. So... 5 to 6 inch groups are what a handgun shooter should aim for (?).
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Depending on what your training for sure. Like I said, I train with Mil/LEO who are training for real world application against reactive targets (bad guys). And no it's not sniper school, so minute of center mass is acceptable and inside the 8 ring is ideal.
 
it's threads like this that really point out the Royalty here at CGN.
the guys who are on top of the pedestal and who know all and have done it 10 times.

so much hate for such a small community.

sad really.
:(
it also explains why 2/3 of the people who come here dont post, they are afraid of getting waylaid by the internet gun elite.

i for one am looking forward to seeing how he does with the long slide and look forward to seeing some pics of the gun and target.
i dont care if he dosnt reference Leading thumbs or thumbs forward grip, Trigger finger placement, Trigger control, Follow through, Working the reset, Sight alignment or Sight picture.
i just wanna know how he finds the gun compared to the normal 17.
 
6MT said:
Whew! Thank goodness! Now I know I'm doing it right. So... 5 to 6 inch groups are what a handgun shooter should aim for (?).
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Took the words out of my mouth. The "A" zone on an ipsc target is 5x9" I believe, so anything inside 5" at speed is the goal. Its also been said that under stress your abilities will be half what they are when training or practicing. So a calm cool 2-3" group in theory becomes a 4-6" group under heavy stress. Something to think about.

Tdc
 
wayupnorth said:
it's threads like this that really point out the Royalty here at CGN.
the guys who are on top of the pedestal and who know all and have done it 10 times.

so much hate for such a small community.

sad really.
:(
it also explains why 2/3 of the people who come here dont post, they are afraid of getting waylaid by the internet gun elite.

i for one am looking forward to seeing how he does with the long slide and look forward to seeing some pics of the gun and target.
i dont care if he dosnt reference Leading thumbs or thumbs forward grip, Trigger finger placement, Trigger control, Follow through, Working the reset, Sight alignment or Sight picture.
i just wanna know how he finds the gun compared to the normal 17.
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You've missed the point. It makes no difference what gun you use as long as you apply sound fundamentals. Furthemore, the experience and opinion of someone who doesn't fully understand the fundamentals and is incapable of consistently applying them is worthless. Feel free to read all the "reviews" and personal "experiences" you want but it helps if you know how to separate the wheat from the chaff. Then again if you're basing your current purchase or a future purchase off anothers experience then you're already behind the curve. All the information you need to make an honest informed decision on a handgun is published by the manufacturer. The trick here is knowing what's important and what's not. Some get it, most don't.

Tdc
 
TDC said:
You've missed the point. It makes no difference what gun you use as long as you apply sound fundamentals. Furthemore, the experience and opinion of someone who doesn't fully understand the fundamentals and is incapable of consistently applying them is worthless. Feel free to read all the "reviews" and personal "experiences" you want but it helps if you know how to separate the wheat from the chaff. Then again if you're basing your current purchase or a future purchase off anothers experience then you're already behind the curve. All the information you need to make an honest informed decision on a handgun is published by the manufacturer. The trick here is knowing what's important and what's not. Some get it, most don't.

Tdc
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What, you don't get your new vehicle recommendations from the cast of "Canada's worst driver"? Lol
 
I dont compete, i am not interrested in training the LE training, i just like to shoot shoot anything i can accurately, for me shooting is a great activity and firearms are fun to use and permit to focus out of the daily routine...
Some individuals are just happy they do shoot and have the opportunity of doing it often, i am in this category...
My business carrer ( i dont need to be the first) is over and my life doesnt depend on the size of my groups, this is a pleasant activity and even more when i do good but if i do bad one day, there is always tomorrow...
I can understand the serious training and i like the discipline you guys put in it, i respect that... JP.
 
TDC said:
You've missed the point. It makes no difference what gun you use as long as you apply sound fundamentals. Furthemore, the experience and opinion of someone who doesn't fully understand the fundamentals and is incapable of consistently applying them is worthless. Feel free to read all the "reviews" and personal "experiences" you want but it helps if you know how to separate the wheat from the chaff. Then again if you're basing your current purchase or a future purchase off anothers experience then you're already behind the curve. All the information you need to make an honest informed decision on a handgun is published by the manufacturer. The trick here is knowing what's important and what's not. Some get it, most don't.

Tdc
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Nope.... I think you've missed his point.
 
redddogg69 said:
Depending on what your training for sure. Like I said, I train with Mil/LEO who are training for real world application against reactive targets (bad guys). And no it's not sniper school, so minute of center mass is acceptable and inside the 8 ring is ideal.
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yeah, I know. Sarcasm doesn't write well.
 
caramel said:
...my life doesnt depend on the size of my groups,
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Based on your threads and posts, you're either lying to yourself or the forum. If it's to the forum, it's obviously for attention and it's working.

If it's to yourself, well, then that's just sad. Especially for a supposedly mature person.

Also, shooting 1000 pistol rounds a week is meaningless if you aren't doing it right. And I guarantee you aren't doing it right.
 
wicked_police said:
Based on your threads and posts, you're either lying to yourself or the forum. If it's to the forum, it's obviously for attention and it's working.

If it's to yourself, well, then that's just sad. Especially for a supposedly mature person.

Also, shooting 1000 pistol rounds a week is meaningless if you aren't doing it right. And I guarantee you aren't doing it right.
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I haven't trusted anything the OP has posted since the "Ferrari thread" incident. It's evident that more than 95% of his posts are for attention.
 
Henry The Yellow Dart said:
Wow. I wish I had the budget to shoot 1000+ rounds a week. Even with reloading I'm lucky to shoot 1000 rounds every 4-5 months. Most of my range sessions are skills maintenace rather than skills buidling at this point.
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well...let's say that the canadian standard IPSC champ JPD shoots close to a 1000 every week give or take. that is skills maintenance.
 
caramel said:
I dont compete, i am not interrested in training the LE training, i just like to shoot shoot anything i can accurately, for me shooting is a great activity and firearms are fun to use and permit to focus out of the daily routine...
Some individuals are just happy they do shoot and have the opportunity of doing it often, i am in this category...
My business carrer ( i dont need to be the first) is over and my life doesnt depend on the size of my groups, this is a pleasant activity and even more when i do good but if i do bad one day, there is always tomorrow...
I can understand the serious training and i like the discipline you guys put in it, i respect that... JP.
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you don't have to.....honestly, some say there's no points in shooting tight groups slowly. not true.

point is, it can be fun to see the intrinseque accuracy of a given gun ; you first get some hints by shooting couple strings on the rest ,then off rest you go to works your fundamentals yet trying to keep the groupings as tight as possible. control.

the bragging about getting into LE training is funny.

i don't say ALL, but most guys can't hit a cow at 30 feets with a handgun in true stress condition with the heart at 160 BPM when life is at stakes ; defensive handgun handling has nothing to see with competitions or bullseye shootin. cherries and potatoes ; most of us are into the second and 3rd class of shooters,that's what we're talking about here. defensive shooting is an important string added to the bow, but it's not necessarly what a majority uses their handguns for.
 
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