If Ar15's became non restricted would Tavors, etc...become extinct.

Armedsask said:
Honestly, piston driven ARs sound great in theory but they are, and will always be, and add on after thought. They are not designed from the ground up and therefore have their own set of issues.


There's something in the works.
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I'm not the sort who would drop a few grand on a single rifle. If a non restricted AR would bring the XCR or ACR down a grand, I'd probably get one or the other. Otherwise I'm finding the AR to completely satisfy my urges to punch paper or bust clays on the 200m berm.

Love the easy disassembly and easier conversion. From .223 to .50 in 20 seconds or less :)
 
Mark-II said:
I'm not the sort who would drop a few grand on a single rifle. If a non restricted AR would bring the XCR or ACR down a grand, I'd probably get one or the other. Otherwise I'm finding the AR to completely satisfy my urges to punch paper or bust clays on the 200m berm.

Love the easy disassembly and easier conversion. From .223 to .50 in 20 seconds or less :)
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Considering the ACR sells for over $2k in the U.S., I doubt it would drop below U.S. retail prices.

That aside, the disassemble of the ACR is fantastically simple, and barrel conversions would be easy if Shrubmaster got off their asses and released conversion barrels. The ACR is a much more modern design than the AR, and really is a better rifle in most respects.

Stephen1546 said:
I love my ACR. I personally feel it is superior in operation and design than an AR, but you can't deny the ubiquitousness of the AR platform. If they weren't restricted, I would have an 18.6" AR in my safe for sure.
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Basically this.
 
cr5 said:
The Tavor and other rifles we currently have as non restricted would still be around but their price would have to drop or they would fade away into nothingness. How could they compete with a $1500 AR that does everything they can do as well or better?
The reason those rifles sell in the US is because they are usually significantly cheaper down there so just like us there are guys that just want to have something different and they have the disposable income to give it a try. Don't think for one second though that those same guys only own a Tavor or an XCR, I would bet they all have a couple AR's as well and just want to try something else.
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While the current NR black rifles would certainly become more of a niche thing, I don't see the prices dropping significantly. To start, the U.S. made Tavor is not the same as the Israeli Tavor, so it's kind of dumb asking why they're not the same price (I'm not saying you claimed this, just stating it for the record). Additionally, when you look at prices of not just firearms, but consumer goods in general in the U.S., they are almost always cheaper than they are here. The 25-30% increase in retail prices of firearms up here as compared to the U.S. applies to both AR's and other rifles.

Additionally, I've never seen an AR that is a bullpup (something the Tavor does), or one that comes with ambidextrous everything, that can convert to left hand ejection (without replacing the upper). Other guns like the ACR come with many features that aren't found on AR's unless you spend comparable amounts of money.

To be clear, I like AR's, they're cheap and they work, but there are lots of things they can't do, and their design is aging, gracefully, mind you, but aging none the less.
 
I would still have interest in other designs, however, if the AR was changed to NR, I would be using that as my standard platform. It can fill so many roles, in so many different calibres, that it is foolish to think that most other designs at their current stage, apart from the AK platform, can actually compete with it on a national level.

The AR is pretty darned close to the perfect battle rifle. It is light, low recoil, easy pointing, quick to reload, simple to operate, reasonably simple to clean, and endlessly upgradable. What more do you want from such a platform?
 
Armedsask said:
Very serious. Life kept getting in the way and plans always fell through, so I finally accepted that I'd never be able to manufacture the rifles myself in a timely manner and sold my design.
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Such as life. We all have other priorities that seem to keep us from the smaller stuff like hobbies and side projects like this. Still, good on ya for coming up with the design in the first place. A creative mind is an important part to succeeding in life.
 
Ar180shooter said:
While the current NR black rifles would certainly become more of a niche thing, I don't see the prices dropping significantly. To start, the U.S. made Tavor is not the same as the Israeli Tavor, so it's kind of dumb asking why they're not the same price (I'm not saying you claimed this, just stating it for the record). Additionally, when you look at prices of not just firearms, but consumer goods in general in the U.S., they are almost always cheaper than they are here. The 25-30% increase in retail prices of firearms up here as compared to the U.S. applies to both AR's and other rifles.

Additionally, I've never seen an AR that is a bullpup (something the Tavor does), or one that comes with ambidextrous everything, that can convert to left hand ejection (without replacing the upper). Other guns like the ACR come with many features that aren't found on AR's unless you spend comparable amounts of money.

To be clear, I like AR's, they're cheap and they work, but there are lots of things they can't do, and their design is aging, gracefully, mind you, but aging none the less.
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the FAMAS has done that before ....
 
Let me play the devils advocate here for a second.... I predict if AR platform goes NR the price of tavor/T97 will stay where they are because the price of the said AR that went NR would go up to where/near the same price range as tavor/T97.

Do not under estimate price fixing. :)
 
fluidmax said:
Let me play the devils advocate here for a second.... I predict if AR platform goes NR the price of tavor/T97 will stay where they are because the price of the said AR that went NR would go up to where/near the same price range as tavor/T97.

Do not under estimate price fixing. :)
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Mhm, there would be be a huge increase in demand for ars and that would raise their prices overnight imo.
 
84wh1 said:
I think sales of certain rifles like the XCR (closest thing to a NR ar that we can get) would drop, but I think more unique weapons like the t97 and tavor would still have high sales. Especially tavor with it's growing usa popularity
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Maybe except the Americans don't pay our absurd prices on them, aka the "black NR rifles tax". Something would have to give especially given those platforms wouldn't objectively offer anything special if the AR were NR.
Other than obviously being bullpup.
 
if AR's went NR darn right i would buy one that's the only thing that's stopping me from owning an AR right now
 
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