If Norcs are a cheap crap, what does that make NEA?

I prefer iron sights. I'm old-fashioned that way. However, my first Norc indeed shot way off. Sighting the thing in has my rear sight way off of centre, to get the thing to shoot straight. Now it drills bullseyes so easily that it's boring to shoot. I guess that's what adjustable sights are for. I've got a scope on my second one but have yet to take it out to sight it in yet.

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andrew3081 said:
Not really, not everyone puts an optic on their Ar15.
Most people that buy cheap Ar15 probably wont spend money to buy optics. They will probably just use the iron sights that come with the Ar15 (if there are any).
Or people just like to shoot with iron sights.
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You sure about that? Looks through the ar15 pic thread or even the ee most will have flip ups or flat top becouse they had an optic on it very few have the original carry handle.
 
voncosbies said:
I've had a burning itch. I love the incredibly reliable Norc CQB-A, it can't hit sh!t, but mine never had a single problem, not to mention it's cheap! My problem is, it's Chinese and with Canadian options available I felt like I wasn't supporting my fellow countrymen. So I bought an NEA....... Which pooped the bed after less than 50 rounds. The bolt tore itself apart, specifically the key broke it's bolt apart. NEA couldn't offer an explanation. They were quick to fix and ship it back, but offered no additional compensation.

I guess it could be worse, but if I had stayed with Norinco, it would have been much better for half the price. It's sad that made in Canada just means more money. I'm very sad that more and more this country is more about making a bunch of cash and less about quality and customer service.
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This forum needs more polls. So many threads here that would really benefit from some polls, just to see the numbers of what members are thinking.
 
Iron sight vs optics? That's another personal preference issue, and hardly justification to judge a rifle's quality or performance. I prefer optics, but I still like practicing with irons. I can hit the gong at 300m with the iron sight on my FN49 so it really boils down to the shooter. My Norc M4 got optics, because I wanted something relatively close to the C7 and Elcan that I'm issued. Set the scope to 3.4x and the size of targets at various ranges looks the same as it does on the kit I'm issued. My Tavor has a scope as well as the flip up irons, but only because it came with decent flip up sights that I didn't want to discard. I don't use the iron sights on my Tavor very often, but at least I've got a back up system incase my scope gets dirty doing section attacks at the civvy gun range, right? Insert sarcastic emoticon here.
I realize there's a lot of stuff on the market that is useless to the average Joe, but I'm not one to judge if you want some LCF on your range toys.
 
I'm no shill I have 2 NEA's .. One had an issue with the bolt not closing.. it turned out to be interference with the charging handle and my optics... I switched out charging handles between the 2 and it's fine.. I also have RRA, STAG and others.. I'm actually contemplating getting an upper in 300 BLK..

Do the NEA's compare visually to the others.. I really don't know.. I didn't buy them to look at them..

Do they shoot.. Yes, as well as the others..
Have a taken note of every failure (FTE, FTF, FTL) on every gun on every round I fired no I haven't.. But I would be able to tell you if something was happening more or less with something..

Maybe I got lucky.. I certainly did with my R-22 (Yes I have one of those Rhineland R-22's) and its dream to shoot.. 3000 rounds in in works like a swiss watch...
 
I went through this thought process when I bought my first AR a few years back, the Norc was a lot cheaper but I wanted something Canadian made, at the time it seemed NEA QC was even worse with an NEA problem thread every 37 seconds, and I decided I would buy the Norc and then get a better AR for my next one,.... so far the Norc has run flawlessly

it seems that Norinco is an example of some of the better end of Chinese manufacturing and NEA is the cheapest we can get made in Canada with higher labour costs.
 
voncosbies said:
I've had a burning itch. I love the incredibly reliable Norc CQB-A, it can't hit sh!t, but mine never had a single problem, not to mention it's cheap! My problem is, it's Chinese and with Canadian options available I felt like I wasn't supporting my fellow countrymen. So I bought an NEA....... Which pooped the bed after less than 50 rounds. The bolt tore itself apart, specifically the key broke it's bolt apart. NEA couldn't offer an explanation. They were quick to fix and ship it back, but offered no additional compensation.

I guess it could be worse, but if I had stayed with Norinco, it would have been much better for half the price. It's sad that made in Canada just means more money. I'm very sad that more and more this country is more about making a bunch of cash and less about quality and customer service.
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I was recently at a CQB match last Saturday Sept 6th in Valcartier QC, one guy had an NEA and after a few rounds it jammed like a B#$%^&d...Not sure if they rectified it later but it appeared to be very serious.
 
Either I am really lucky with my outstanding NEA, or the few malfunctioning NEA's are disproportionally represented in this forum. Doesn't mean beans to me because I have a fantastic 12.5" BBL, suppressed NEA that has (so far) performed perfectly. I looked at the Norc's, but the fit and finish was sub-par compared to the NEA. (BTW, NEA and NORC are the same price over here in NZ). The accuracy on this rig is so good that I now must scope it to really understand it's capabilities. My gunsmith is going to do a little work on the trigger to bring it down from the 8lbs mil spec and then I am G2G! I have absolutely no complaints regarding my NEA and I suspect that there are many more like me...;) Oh, once my NEA is back with the trigger job I am taking it out to shoot some pesky Magpies at a local airfield. The NEA Mini-Can will definitely help.
 
There are many reasons a semi auto will go down, not all are related to the manufacturer.
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I was recently at a CQB match last Saturday Sept 6th in Valcartier QC, one guy had an NEA and after a few rounds it jammed like a B#$%^&d...Not sure if they rectified it later but it appeared to be very serious.
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mikethebike said:
yes you're right not all, about 98.7% of the reasons are the manufacturer.
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Of all the courses I've been on I have seen the vast majority of AR's go down for either ammo or mag related issues. Other most prevalent issue has been franken guns incorrectly put together by the builder (wrong buffer, wrong gas system ete etc). In my experience very few have gone down from a fault of the firearm's "manufacturer".

Back on track.... I run several AR's and just recently bought a 10.5 NEA.... so far so good with the few thousand rounds I have put thru it and it shoots decent (I haven't stretched it out yet as I have just been using it in CQB matches etc). I'm not a lover of the battleship grey finish but that's no biggie. If you want an NEA get an NEA.. if you want a Norc get a Norc. If you want a KAC get a KAC but I have nothing bad to say about my NEA.
 
What I like about the Norc, is it is what it is. It doesn't try and claim to be something it isn't. It's a cheap AR15 that was the lowest priced AR you could get in Canada. It had rough machining (bolt) and variable finish from really crappy to not bad. Parts were of a spec of their own that may or not easily change out. Some required surgery to change stuff out. That being said, somehow all the ones I've seen chugged right along without issue. It's rare to see a Norc crap the bed. There are tons of them and while many are left stock a lot have also been modified. The other thing is the barrel on the Norc is actually hammer forged. I've seen one shoot very well when free floated and a match trigger added. 1 moa at 100 metres 5 rounds off a crappy bipod grip while at a bench and with a 3 moa red dot. With the right ammo that barrel does shoot.

Now that being said I have never owned a norc. They are a fun inexpensive AR and are great for those just getting into AR rifles. But.. once you start modding them up you may as well have just bought a better brand with what you wanted. If you sell you'll get more of your money back and you aren't settling. There are constantly good deals coming up on AR rifles and I would rather pay the extra than to settle or eventually pay more trying to dress up a lesser product.

This goes for the other brand mentioned as well. With what's available at current pricing, there really is no point buying the budget AR.
 
Epoxy7 said:
What I like about the Norc, is it is what it is. It doesn't try and claim to be something it isn't.
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And that's exactly why I like them too. They're loose and machine marked to hell but always run.

Turkinator said:
If you want a quality Canadian firearm buy yourself a Savage MKII rimfire or a Dlask. Otherwise buy whatever you feel like.
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You forgot ATRS and Colt "Diemaco" Canada
 
Buying a Norc 10.5 as my first AR A. Introduced me to the platform without spending a ton of cash. B. allowed me to splurge on an optic. After 6 mos of flawless shooting I sold it and purchased another brand. I have nothing bad to say about my Norc but with the prices dropping on other makes they might be a hard sell.
 
Great news! I have carried out a risk assessment of the aerodrome (where the magpies are causing a hazard to the aircraft) and I will be able to engage and neutralize magpies with my 12.5", suppressed, NEA AR-15. I am waiting for my scope rail as my shots will be stretching out to 150m easily. No worries, my NEA will easily deal to the magpies at this range. I will be using Hornady 55gr VMAX factory ammo. This ammo has been grouping at .75" at 75m (with Bushnell TRS25 Red Dot) so I am confident that with a high quality variable scope (have not chosen which one I will be mounting yet...) I can take out the threat(s). Do i love my NEA? Roger that. Is it accurate, reliable and damn fun to shoot? Roger that. Have I had any failures? NEGATIVE.
 
Oh, sorry..forgot to add, another mission in my pest control role. You guys are gonna love this one: multiple feral goat are damaging a forestry block with new plantings. Terrain is low rolling hills with maximum ranges approx 250m. Solution: NEA-15 with Hornady 55gr sp's. Given that we have a seven round maximum magazine capacity (and I have not yet paid and qualified for my hi-cap authorization), looks like I will need a "baker's half dozen" of mags to deal with the goat threat. Not to change the subject but.....SLIP 2000 is my choice of CLP.
 
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