When I first joined this wonderful community, I saw a post of a fellow that had an XCR-L, had the upper and lower worked on a bit, new heavy barrel etc, was shooting .5 moa, pretty impressive for an XCR. I'm looking at buying a .223 bolt gun for a bit more accuracy for shooting coyotes and gophers, but for the cost of a bolt action rifle, could I get my XCR to at least a consultant .75-1 moa shooter? Any people know of anyone that has done this? Where to get it done? And a projected cost? In alberta would be preferred but Canada post is there if there is no other option. Thanks for reading, hopefully hear some feed back
Building a more accurate XCR-L
- Thread starter RedNeckPlumber
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I call a big bag of B/S on gaining .5 moa from an XCR.
Try picking Rick T.'s brain from ATRS on it. I believe they threw up their hands on the project they had on the go as they came to the conclusion that it was simply unworkable.
Try picking Rick T.'s brain from ATRS on it. I believe they threw up their hands on the project they had on the go as they came to the conclusion that it was simply unworkable.
Canadian_Zuk
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I'll call BS on .5 MOA too, but would be happy to see otherwise. I've done some pretty extensive load development for my XCR-L (15 different projectiles used) and the best I can manage consistently is 1.5 MOA with 75gr Hornandy Match HP with the gas system shut off. That same load opens up to over 2" with the gas on.
Because of the barrel retention system. The proverbial weakest link....
with surplus ammo, which is fine with me.
Ya that guy! Just curious what was done to it to achieve that accuracy. Realistically if it's under a grand, it's cheaper to mod the XCR, over a grand, a guy can buy a varmint t3 or Remi 700 in 223, used with glass for less. Just weighing my options here.
I can make a bunch of holes and have a caliper measuring them but they don't really mean anything. Anyone can fake anything, were there any witnesses to verify that he was actually at 100 yards and not 25yds? Anyone witness that he was actually using the XCR? I could shoot a .5 MOA group with my 223 bolt action then claim they were shot with any other 223.
I think an XCR could be capable of close to 1 MOA but it would require a better quality barrel and for the shooter to wait a few minutes between shots to make sure everything was cooled off, the barrel retention system holds the barrel in a crappy way for consistent shots as things warm up.
That's why I own an ACR and not an XCR. Better barrel retention and still allows quick caliber change.
im getting 2-3 inch groups at 100 yards with irons... I have myself and expensive plinker and a reliable hunting gun for under 200 yards. Im happy with that... If you want sub moa, just go buy a damn bolt gun. For my XCR-L Keymod tiger stripe and all my mags, no optic yet im already in over 3g... you can build on hell of a nice bolt gun for that.... just saying...
Exactly,
Enjoy it for what it is and if you want tiny groups buy a bolt action. Nowhere is it written that you can only have one rifle. Have the XCR for the fun stuff and a bolt gun for the precision stuff
Travis Bickle
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Upper Lower Middle Alberta
Meh, even the accuracy of the AR15 is so overblown on this site from peoples BS stories.
A standard AR15 is expected to be a 1-3 MOA rifle at basic design with common ammunition depending on make/manufacturer and that's usually with an optic these days even.
It's a semi auto gas operated battle rifle design, just like the XCR, ACR, AR180 etc etc
You can tweak any rifle at the cost of thousands of dollars to make it "more accurate" if you really feel the need but for all your efforts and money burned you will be no further ahead than if you just bought a bolt action or semi auto hunting rifle designed to be accurate from the ground up. Except you'll have saved thousands of dollars and personal time and ammo.
I think it's because most of the NR black rifles in this country are so expensive that people think they are associating them with some kind of super high quality precision semi auto rifle or something The price is reflective only of the limited (sad) Canadian firearms market and limited numbers of rifles available, limited demand plus cost of import on the dealer to make a profit and stay afloat etc etc
It's beyond me how people drop $3K on a rifle designed to be a sloppy, loose toleranced for reliability, semi auto battle rifle and expect it to shoot sub MOA.
Personnaly when I shoot my AR15 and I'm getting 3-4" consistent groups with irons at 100 meters with common bulk ammo, I'm happier than a pig in s**t. Same goes with any of my semi auto battle rifles.
Maybe it's just me.....
A standard AR15 is expected to be a 1-3 MOA rifle at basic design with common ammunition depending on make/manufacturer and that's usually with an optic these days even.
It's a semi auto gas operated battle rifle design, just like the XCR, ACR, AR180 etc etc
You can tweak any rifle at the cost of thousands of dollars to make it "more accurate" if you really feel the need but for all your efforts and money burned you will be no further ahead than if you just bought a bolt action or semi auto hunting rifle designed to be accurate from the ground up. Except you'll have saved thousands of dollars and personal time and ammo.
I think it's because most of the NR black rifles in this country are so expensive that people think they are associating them with some kind of super high quality precision semi auto rifle or something The price is reflective only of the limited (sad) Canadian firearms market and limited numbers of rifles available, limited demand plus cost of import on the dealer to make a profit and stay afloat etc etc
It's beyond me how people drop $3K on a rifle designed to be a sloppy, loose toleranced for reliability, semi auto battle rifle and expect it to shoot sub MOA.
Personnaly when I shoot my AR15 and I'm getting 3-4" consistent groups with irons at 100 meters with common bulk ammo, I'm happier than a pig in s**t. Same goes with any of my semi auto battle rifles.
Maybe it's just me.....
x2 ! If you don't wana spend money, wana take time to mod out to make the accuracy slightly better to bump your pride up a little in you shooting abilities... go buy a 500 buck norc 305. Sink 300 in it and feel good. Still not even at half the price of a XCRL
Gunnerlove
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Vancouver Island
I rebarreled my Stag when it opened up to 10 rnds into 1.75" at 100m.
Travis Bickle
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Upper Lower Middle Alberta
What are you getting now? 1.5"? 1"?
Factory 12 inch barreled piston driven AR at 100 yards, no aftermarket anything just good quality rifle and ammo.
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The AR is an accurate rifle and the XCR will never touch it in that department. For those that want non restricted then the XCR is a better choice.
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