Tavor in 3 gun competitions ?
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I find that mind boggling. Given the mag release and selector location there's no way in hell I could be remotely as quick with my T97 as I am with my AR.
Phat Eagle
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IMHO no bullpup will be as fast as an AR for 3 gun or tactical matches. Without moving the gun the controls on a bullpup are outside of your field of vision and consequently slower to manipulate, no matter how well drilled you are. Shorter OAL of bullpups give them some advantages in combat, but speed of mag changes and clearance of stoppages are certainly NOT on that list.
PS: don't see how ANYONE can hope to game with a T97... Getting a mag in that magwell is tough enough while plinking, let alone while moving or under time pressure. They're cool and all, but not for action shooting!
PS: don't see how ANYONE can hope to game with a T97... Getting a mag in that magwell is tough enough while plinking, let alone while moving or under time pressure. They're cool and all, but not for action shooting!
Your dead wrong. I am way faster with my T97. Mabey you don't know how to operate one properly. The French foreign legion use a bullpup as their main gun. They are Extremely proficient with it. Do you even own one ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyhIbAac8Zg
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onetwentyish
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Challenging the crowd to stop the one sided bias and allow different perspective is what changes history. Your bias that rifle X, Y, and Z are worse than rifle A simply because it is not rifle A is rediculous.
In order to prove which rifles have which benifits in a competition or compat scenario there would have to be a person whose main rifle they are heavily practiced on is an AR and the other guy the opposing rifle. If you practice heavily on an AR for the majorty of your shooting time then switch over to a tavor and complain it doesn't run like an AR, thats your problem. You need to learn to run a rifle the way it was intended, not like an AR because that is what you are used to... Not ever rifle is meant to be handled and manipulated like an AR.
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No offense, but the only conclusion I can come to is that you must be really slow with your AR.
Everything I needed to know about that rifle was evident at the 18 second mark, where he was awkwardly trying to load a mag in his gun.
If they are the worlds best and having that much trouble, I as a lowly civilian sport shooter have no hope in hell in being competitive with one.
I'm only picking nits with that video as it has no bearing on what to choose for 3 gun SPORT shooting and is a poor example of effective use of the platform.
Spray and pray in the sandbox isn't real world for the majority of us (thankfully and with utmost appreciation to those that are there)
Sure. ..They're good at what they do, but they know sweet F all about 3-gun.
I'd argue it does...
This thread is turning into dildos...
My money is still on the AR being better suited to the game.
I'd argue that what they use, along with any other government funded agency, comes down to who tendered what offer and who's palms were greased.
Just to play devil's advocate
Why does everything always have to turn to dildos.....
Its a shame really.
Except for the fact that there is no shortage of dildos!!
Phat Eagle
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Oooooookay... We want to turn this into a discussion about Special Forces????
Let's set aside the Americans, and our own Canadian JTF2, and every other military that uses a M4/M16 platform as their "regular" issue weapon... Let's ONLY look at some of the militaries that use bullpup designs for their "regular" issue weapon and see what they use...
UK: Regular Army use the SA80; SAS use M4/C8
Australian Army uses Steyr AUG; SASR use M4/C8
NZ Army uses Steyr AUG; NZSAS use M4/C8
Israeli Army has mostly switched to Tavors; many of their Special Forces units STILL use M4/M16...
Oh, look at this:
French Army uses the FAMAS; but the Brigade des Forces Spéciales Terre (BFST; "Army Special Forces Brigade") uses (drumroll please).......... The M16 and M4.
We seem to like the French, so let's talk about GIGN... They don't use M4s, but they don't normally use the FAMAS either. Instead, they opt for the conventional lay out of the Sig 550 and Sig 551.
I wonder why they all do this???
OP: use your Tavor if you already have one... They're a fine gun. If you are in a position to challenge on the circuit you shoot I'm sure you'll find you end up getting an AR, just like all the former Tavor guys that shoot 3 gun and Tac Rifle out here... You'll just need to get to the range to practice. Looks like you're in Langley, so there are a ton of ranges closer than any outside space where you can shoot NR...
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Runningfool
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The biggest advantage with the AR is the decades of experience people have with them and aftermarket support for them. There are countless instructional videos on how to shoot with an AR and countless courses tailored to them. The shooting world has evolved around the AR platform, as it should. It is a great firearm.
Using a tavor means you will start at the bottom and have a bit of an uphill struggle to learn. There aren't thousands of videos teaching speed reloads for example. You'll have a little more trial and error, and experimentation to make it work for you. I believe that the Tavor is capable of competing once you have put the time into practice. I know my tavor was not my weak point in my last 3 gun.
Using a tavor means you will start at the bottom and have a bit of an uphill struggle to learn. There aren't thousands of videos teaching speed reloads for example. You'll have a little more trial and error, and experimentation to make it work for you. I believe that the Tavor is capable of competing once you have put the time into practice. I know my tavor was not my weak point in my last 3 gun.
you could be right. LOL
sorry guys, I was having a grouchy moment last night. Lets just say, shoot what you bring to the 3 gun and have fun with it,..weather its an sks, an old 303, AR, JR Carbine ECT, just have fun.
Well said! I've been thinking a lot about 3 gun but don't yet have an AR or any other tactical style rifle. I could always break out my 30-30 lever. Haha.
I'm competitive but know that there is a learning curve. I'd say shoot what you have and go from there. If you get frustrated with the tavor and want to start from scratch with an AR then so be it. Everyone is different.
Well for what"your looking for", the AR-15 is absolutely useless...despite what anyone says on here. Its restricted.
Get the Tavor...practice with it where ever you want in Canada and prove a few of these so called experts wrong here on CGN. Look at it as a double challenge.
Above all get what "you" want and have fun...who freakin cares what a computer screen tells you.
Cheers!!
Get the Tavor...practice with it where ever you want in Canada and prove a few of these so called experts wrong here on CGN. Look at it as a double challenge.
Above all get what "you" want and have fun...who freakin cares what a computer screen tells you.
Cheers!!
