Which handgun models are the best for tiny hands?

this sparked a interest in me so i went and got some guns out and did some measurements.
M&P with small grip 30.0mm
M&P with small RUFF texture grip 31.3mm
M&P with Medium grip 32.8mm
M&P with Large grip 35.6mm
Glock 17 Gen 3 30.3mm
Ruger SR9 30.0mm
Sig 226 34.1mm
1911 commander with wood grips 33.5mm
1911 commander with Hogue grips 32.9mm
Ruger 22/45 Lite with Hogue grips 30.5mm
S&W 422 32-34mm (grips flair our at bottom)

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Wuff! Is that all yours?
 
this sparked a interest in me so i went and got some guns out and did some measurements.
M&P with small grip 30.0mm
M&P with small RUFF texture grip 31.3mm
M&P with Medium grip 32.8mm
M&P with Large grip 35.6mm
Glock 17 Gen 3 30.3mm
Ruger SR9 30.0mm
Sig 226 34.1mm
1911 commander with wood grips 33.5mm
1911 commander with Hogue grips 32.9mm
Ruger 22/45 Lite with Hogue grips 30.5mm
S&W 422 32-34mm (grips flair our at bottom)

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Thickness is only one dimension. Grip circumference is typically measured. Even then it's not the 'be all and end all' measurement. How well you can reach the trigger to apply proper press is what you should be assessing.
 
True. Trigger reach, shape of the grip, availability of different triggers (short reach, long reach), grips, backstraps...it all matters. However, at the same time, it's not that important either. If you are really dedicated to the platform, you can master it with right amount of time and training. No matter if grip is nice or feels like 2x4. Problem is that many people refuse to spend time and effort and blame the pistol's ergonomics instead. Nothing new.
 
True. Trigger reach, shape of the grip, availability of different triggers (short reach, long reach), grips, backstraps...it all matters. However, at the same time, it's not that important either. If you are really dedicated to the platform, you can master it with right amount of time and training. No matter if grip is nice or feels like 2x4. Problem is that many people refuse to spend time and effort and blame the pistol's ergonomics instead. Nothing new.

I'll buy the malcom gladwellish argument that enough proper time and training on any platform will result in mastering it and the fundamentals, but i also don't see the point of dedicating yourself at the beginning (unless of course it is for occupational reasons) to a platform that doesn't properly fit or feel intuitive, when you can find one that does and that will accomplish the same objectives. No end of choices out there.
 
Agreed. At the same time grass is always greener...so it often comes to the point where many shooters who consider themselves "experts" or at least "experienced" can't really settle for one platform as they are always in search of the pistol with "better fit", "lower bore axis", "lesser muzzle flip", "softer recoil"..."nicer colors" or whatever flies their current boat. Fit is simply overrated as the factor for any, but extreme cases. Even the best fit, shortest trigger reset, lightest trigger weight won't replace the good fundamentals. Many of these "better fit" firearms accomplish only that. Masking the lack of fundamental skills. Try to call these people "recreational shooters" and they all are immediately offended. What's even worse from functional point of view is that they will spread their sunshine all over this place, misleading many new shooters into the same elusive state of mind. Fit is very important. Well, no...it shouldn't be on the top of your priority list. What should be then? Good pistol to start with that has a lot of market support in terms of parts, sights and magazines. Professional training is far more important...and a lot of ammo to be able to learn anything. However when you spend all your cash searching for the perfect fit, you usually end up having not enough ammo to actually train with it. Regards.
 
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I'll buy the malcom gladwellish argument that enough proper time and training on any platform will result in mastering it and the fundamentals, but i also don't see the point of dedicating yourself at the beginning (unless of course it is for occupational reasons) to a platform that doesn't properly fit or feel intuitive, when you can find one that does and that will accomplish the same objectives. No end of choices out there.

The "feel" should never trump the reputation for reliability, ease of maintenance, and control layout of the firearm. A smart person picks the pistol that fits the role, then works around any shortcomings it may have. Gundoggy has it right, the circumference as well as the LOP are factors to take into account. But you need to understand proper trigger finger placement and a proper leading thumbs grip before any of the dimensions of the grip or LOP mean anything. Regardless of what gun you choose, if your fundamentals are absent, you're wasting your time chasing gear. There's no end to poor shooters with all makes and models..

TDC
 
I'm going to throw this into the mix for consideration.

I started out on the Holly Grail search for the ultimate small gripped pistol. I'm talking TT33, 1911 and CZ75 with ultra thin grips, BHP didn't feel right etc etc.....

Only to later discover, that I shoot better with a larger gipped gun. I.E. I am shooting my M&P with the medium back strap, not the small! A BHP works for me now.

So, try it before you go crazy trying to find small.

M
 
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Agreed. At the same time grass is always greener...so it often comes to the point where many shooters who consider themselves "experts" or at least "experienced" can't really settle for one platform as they are always in search of the pistol with "better fit", "lower bore axis", "lesser muzzle flip", "softer recoil"..."nicer colors" or whatever flies their current boat. Fit is simply overrated as the factor for any, but extreme cases. Even the best fit, shortest trigger reset, lightest trigger weight won't replace the good fundamentals. Many of these "better fit" firearms accomplish only that. Masking the lack of fundamental skills. Try to call these people "recreational shooters" and they all are immediately offended. What's even worse from functional point of view is that they will spread their sunshine all over this place, misleading many new shooters into the same elusive state of mind. Fit is very important. Well, no...it shouldn't be on the top of your priority list. What should be then? Good pistol to start with that has a lot of market support in terms of parts, sights and magazines. Professional training is far more important...and a lot of ammo to be able to learn anything. However when you spend all your cash searching for the perfect fit, you usually end up having not enough ammo to actually train with it. Regards.

Most of the typical models in the $700-1200 range for the major brands (glock, hk, sig, walther, steyr, cz, S&W, various 1911 etc) are all pretty reliable, and seem to have reasonable market support (though some better than others), are good places to start, and are/could be legitimate entries for games ipsc ipda etc. Pick what you want, but to me, all things being equal, I think fit and feel is a perfectly legitimate and important differentiator as we all have different physiology. Is there one universally accepted model that everyone should start with because it doesn't mask deficiencies? No, there are lots of choices.
 
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The "feel" should never trump the reputation for reliability, ease of maintenance, and control layout of the firearm. A smart person picks the pistol that fits the role, then works around any shortcomings it may have. Gundoggy has it right, the circumference as well as the LOP are factors to take into account. But you need to understand proper trigger finger placement and a proper leading thumbs grip before any of the dimensions of the grip or LOP mean anything. Regardless of what gun you choose, if your fundamentals are absent, you're wasting your time chasing gear. There's no end to poor shooters with all makes and models..

TDC

how one prioritizes selection criteria is subjective, but feel/ergonomics (which includes control layout) is a totally relevant consideration.
 
how one prioritizes selection criteria is subjective, but feel/ergonomics (which includes control layout) is a totally relevant consideration.

Do we need to discuss this again?

If you're new to pistols you haven't a clue what you're doing, so concerning yourself with bs like "feel" is nothing more than mental masturbation that equates to zero reality based results. If you're searching for a pistol and haven't narrowed your search based on facts like weight, size, calibre, parts and accessory availability and desired use/discipline. Then you're wasting your time searching for the right "feel". Ergonomics is a big word, and yet most have no idea what an "ergonomic" pistol should look or "feel" like because they don't have a clue what is involved with the fundamentals of marksmanship. Which means they don't have a clue what to actually look for when choosing a pistol. The common criteria are "feel", calibre, and "how cool it looks". Very very few ever really put the effort into researching the purpose of their pistol and what features will be beneficial.

Tdc
 
Plz dont feed TDC, he dont stop when he starts & has ZERO people skills.

I was thinking, "here we go again". The supreme authority has spoken and now all the lesser beings are expected to behave. If I ever developed the level of cynicism and general lack of respect for others we have seen demonstrated over and over, I would hope that someone would have the wisdom to put me in quarantine of some sort. It's time to bail out of this thread as the die has been cast and any opinions that differ from the "speaker" will result in escalated derision. Too bad, so sad but by now we'all should know that there is one and only one authority here.
 
Do we need to discuss this again?

lol - god i hope not because i have read your singular view in every thread, projected onto every point and counterpoint, relevant or not. here is a tip: a debate of the merits of other factors isn't mutually exclusive of your omnipotent truth.
 
I was thinking, "here we go again". The supreme authority has spoken and now all the lesser beings are expected to behave. If I ever developed the level of cynicism and general lack of respect for others we have seen demonstrated over and over, I would hope that someone would have the wisdom to put me in quarantine of some sort. It's time to bail out of this thread as the die has been cast and any opinions that differ from the "speaker" will result in escalated derision. Too bad, so sad but by now we'all should know that there is one and only one authority here.


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Laugh2. I'm with you Hercster!
 
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