300 RUM & 416 rigby, Another which cartridge thread

ckc123 said:
I guess thier not really your buddies then.. just some guys you hunt with.. they guys I'm with are like family, I've been hunting with them for 20 years, and would spend all night looking for them in a swap with no light..

your guns are obviously more important then your close friends..
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Well...

if he was my buddy I'd allow him to borrow a more suitable rifle for him
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my fathers or whoever
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Maybe I'm just privileged enough to have access to a wide variety of rifle's, and all my hunting ground's within a couple hours of lodgings, it's just important to bring the back up equipment to those lodging's.
 
Yeah, if your old buddy or father has a car that takes a poop would you lend him your pickup or your Ferrari?

The RUM is a lame excuse for a "spare". If it all went pear shaped for a buddy on a hunt and all I had was my Rigby and my '06 I would offer my '06 as a replacement rather than the RUM. It's just more reasonable. I agree wholeheartedly with having a backup...I never leave home without one, and I wouldn't hesitate to loan one to a good friend, but I would definitely offer the more reasonable chambering, unless they were someone like Boomer or Dogleg who are massive rifle nuts that seem oblivious to recoil.

I don't think you're wrong, I just think you're going about it wrong.
 
BigUglyMan said:
you lend him your pickup or your Ferrari?
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would I lend him my cheap 300rum in a Remington 700 (my pickup) or my Weatherby Mark V in 30-06.. (my Ferrari).. I don't think you need me to actually answer that question to know the answer

the problem again, is you can't distinguish the caliber from the rifle..
 
I would definitely lend the mark V. The mark V I use is a sporter they list on their website at $1600 (I think paid more :( unfortunately), but even the most deluxe mark V is only like $2000-2500. It sounds like you don't treat your buddies like family.

Option A: give him a lightweight rifle (the 700) chambered in a high powered round, that if you mix bullets up will; as you say knock him over since he's frail and light. However it's cheap so no real consequence to you.

Option B: Give him a 8lbs rifle with a nice shoulder cushion (personal perspective) chambered in a more suitable caliber for him, however is more expensive so you don't want to let it out of your hands.

You sound like the best of buddies.

anyway thread's gone off topic. Sorry to leave on a sour note. I appreciate the advice that was given and sorry BigUgly that we got off on the wrong foot.
 
cupar1 said:
Option A: give him a lightweight rifle (the 700) chambered in a high powered round,
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funny how you can't even use proper logic consistently in your argument.. I don't put in a full power level 3 round. I put in the power level 1.. the whole reason your objecting in te first place..


Maybe I'm just privileged
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your own words summarized your problem perfectly..
 
I don't own either of the mentioned rounds. I have shot a 30-378 and it was a brisk awakening. The scope hit my sun glasses but not me. That's the closest I've come to getting kissed by a scope. Recoil actually wasn't that bad just terribly fast and wow it was hard on the head. The concussion was impressive . I think I could learn to shoot it well and considered buying one. Went 300 Wm however. Savage 110 fits me great and it was a fraction of the cost
I have a 458 wm and I push 405 gr bullets to 2400 fps. It has a mercury recoil reducer in the stock but a butt pad that I'm sure is made from an old hockey puck. It's not bad to shoot. Standing is a breeze. Prone I'm told my boots slid back 4" but I think they were exaggerating!
Recoil doesn't seem to bother me if only for a few shots. I don't think I'd want to fire 100 rounds from my 458 in a row but 20-25 before my mind starts to say wtf
Not sure how a 9 lb 458 compares to a 416 Rigby recoil wise but I believe the magnums can be learned. However if you develop a flinch it will stay with you.
My 300wm bit a buddy who grew up on a 308. He flinches even with a scoped 22 Lr now. He switched back to a lever in 3030 to get away from scopes.
I suggest you make arrangements with someone who owns one or both of the calibers you want. Buy the ammo and beer and try them out before spending the money
I haven't hunted bison but moose are easily knocked over by much smaller calibers. But what do I know I just used a 458 wm on a 175 lb bear!
 
amen brybenn, my first moose went with a 270win. I don't have access to a 300rum or rigby but I do have access to a 338RUM but it's a 2 and a half hour drive, but also a good excuse to meet a buddy I usually only see when he's in my area with work.
 
Make it out of .338 or .300 Win with a small charge of pistol powder and a case full of cream of wheat and a soap or wax plug. With the .338 its pop and eject a .458 case and with the .300 its pop and trim to a .458 Length.

Now all you need is a secret supply of pistol powder.
 
:rockOn:IF your really interested in the rum i recommend getting it magna ported. it really tames the muzzle jump.ive had my rum for three years and only shoot power level 3
ammo through it. its a mdl 700 lss and the laminated stock makes the recoil feel like a 300wm. terrific round that flattens everything.
 
Ummmm. There is a certain someone on here with a greater post count than those listed above that has a lot of UFI. Just saying before you all start your post count back patting... :)
 
The big case .416s are marvelous cartridges, the upper limit of general purpose rifles. They'll do everything the .375s will do, and they'll cost you more, and kick you harder, while doing it. For example, I could manage 3 rounds of hot loaded .416 Rigby prone, and whenever I attempted to fire the 4th, I lost concentration. By comparison, shooting my .375 Ultra prone, I could manage 5 rounds. While its fine to say that the cost of factory ammo is manageable, if it takes 500 rounds of ammo to master the rifle, is that still the case? Handloading not only mitigates the cost of ammo, but also increases it's versatility. If you are taken with these cartridges, don't let fear or common sense get in the way, pay your money and take your chances. If you get one, have it properly bedded to protect the stock, and have fun.
 
Boomer said:
The big case .416s are marvelous cartridges, the upper limit of general purpose rifles. They'll do everything the .375s will do, and they'll cost you more, and kick you harder, while doing it. For example, I could manage 3 rounds of hot loaded .416 Rigby prone, and whenever I attempted to fire the 4th, I lost concentration. By comparison, shooting my .375 Ultra prone, I could manage 5 rounds. While its fine to say that the cost of factory ammo is manageable, if it takes 500 rounds of ammo to master the rifle, is that still the case? Handloading not only mitigates the cost of ammo, but also increases it's versatility. If you are taken with these cartridges, don't let fear or common sense get in the way, pay your money and takeO your chances. If you get one, have it properly bedded to protect the stock, and have fun.
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416 rigby will be my next buy. It is a step up from my 366 Wagner. I will use matrix bullets. My question is, should I buy a new cz,then have it bedded by a gunsmith, or buy a used one which has everything done before.
I am afraid the recoil will be big, so no plan to scope it.
 
Did anyone actually tried all three power levels on 300 RUM and can tell or explain the difference between those 300/06,300WM and 300RUM comparison?
Regarding the big cal.s fired 460 Weatherby once and did not really like it, at all...
 
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