Frog Lube Question

A lot of you need to hit the books on some of these "wonder lubes" everybody is up in arms about. Frog lube, fire clean, break free CLP, etc.

Frog lube goes to #### so hard with hard use in cold environments, and the way you have to apply it... Heat the parts up and brush it on. A CLP needs to be able to be sprayed into the bolt on a firearm in the field after dumping a thousand rounds and then be able to keep the gun going. A lube that requires heating parts up with a hair dryer is definitively no good for field use.

There is a thread on ARFCOM where a dude did a test on Fireclean and it didn't perform so well in cold whether either.

Some 1911 guy on youtube did a multiple hour test on breakfree CLP using laboratory equipment like mass spectrometers and other stuff. Turns out it's piss.

There is about half a dozen industrial lubricant companies that supply CLP to the U.S. & Canadian military. G96 is one of them and is the only one that sells to the public.

The only lube that is actually approved for military use and is available to the public is G96 CLP. There isn't another manufacture right now that can make that claim.

The military actually use it and it has passed documented tests, among are tests showing the ability to perform in frigid temperatures, sandy environments, etc.


"Hey I saw 8 dudes at the range using frog lube so it must be the best" is the same hearsay bull#### mentality that makes people think old cars are safer then new ones.
 
Except G96 in the can is a piss poor rust inhibitor..... I had a Rem 870 rust using that stuff a few years ago, never again.
The CLP G96 is different stuff of course....but based on the stuff from the can, they won't get any of my $$$.
I still have a gallon of the Breakfree CLP..... should last me a while lol.
Pretty sure this is a pistol forum though, not sure what the AR15 has to do with the discussion......
I use grease on slide rails in the summer, and oil in the winter.....Froglube paste I look at as grease BTW. I also never did the heating up nonsense to apply it, just put some on with a brush, let sit for 5 mins, wipe off with a qtip....go shoot, repeat.
 
WELL, that's throwing down the gauntlet for sure !
misanthropist said:
Well, if you ask very little of your guns, almost anything will work. Most handguns would run fine for a while - maybe 300-500 rounds, more in the case of a Glock - if you took a cheap birthday candle and rubbed it on every surface a bit...you'd get a petroleum-based wax that burned off once it got hot (basically Froglube, but with stearic acid instead of an olefin base, and a slightly different balance of ingredients. Petroleum, and stabilizers. Come to think of it, that might actually be a better lube).

It's no challenge at all to run a gun lightly with lousy lube. So the question is: what happens when you push a gun with Froglube?

And, unsurprisingly, here's what you get:

breakdown of lubricity
failure to remain wet as the olefin begins to burn off
lack of solvency - i.e. the carbon residue accrues instead of getting floated out of the way

That's why, if you run a suppressed AR on froglube, you end up with a gummy brick. Or if you let it sit around in a hot, dusty environment. Or, come to think of it, if you shoot it in a hot, dusty environment. Go look up any hard usage test on the stuff...it doesn't hold up under hard conditions. Now, will that affect YOU? Maybe not. I'm not here to worry about anyone else's shooting schedule. I'm describing the properties of the lubricant itself.

So if you don't need a good lube - and many of you don't - feel free to use it. Or used motor oil out of your car. Or, literally, rub a birthday candle on the inside of the gun. If you clean it a lot and you don't shoot it hard enough to make it hot and you won't put 5000 rounds through it over your entire life, pretty much anything will work. Will it wear faster? Absolutely. But if you're only going to use it for a tenth or a twentieth of its life cycle, it almost certainly doesn't matter.


Just don't confuse yourself with someone who understands the technical requirements of guns re: lubrication.
Click to expand...
 
The product is great, my AR-10T/ SR15 KAC/ DPMS 308/ MK18 are perfect with it, when my LMT or SR25 get here they will be given the FL treatment... The GAP-10 will also be treated the same... I can understand some guys not using it for any reasons but the reason it doesnt work is not valid, when proprely done this stuff fully protect all my firearms and guarranty my full reliability... PS: I dont shoot in the cold, maybe i would use another product if i was shooting at minus 25... JP.
 
dallasm said:
I really don't understand how being 'food grade' is of benefit for a firearm lubricant. Most salad dressings are food grade too.
Click to expand...

It appeals to the large market of firearm enthusiasts who are also left wing environmental activist that don't want to use toxic petroleum based products... Lol
 
dallasm said:
I really don't understand how being 'food grade' is of benefit for a firearm lubricant. Most salad dressings are food grade too.
Click to expand...

Probably because Breakfree CLP can give you cancer.....more of a marketing thing, and also to not give you cancer lol
 
Hey I dunno, why not use a lube designed to operate at high pressures and temps, like say, motor oil or other oils "designed" for firearms instead of candle wax with scenting applied?
 
Slavex said:
Hey I dunno, why not use a lube designed to operate at high pressures and temps, like say, motor oil or other oils "designed" for firearms instead of candle wax with scenting applied?
Click to expand...

Do you run a single weight oil or a multi weight oil like a 10W30? The case for motor oil seems to make a lot of sense.
 
I'm slowly working my way through a gallon jug of CLP, so guess what I'll be using for the next 10 years or so.

M
 
I have use Frog Lube, G96 and M-Pro 7.

Frog Lube is my favorite for my Glock and AR. Once you did the treatment, It's easy as simply wipe off the carbon and reapply at the friction place. Unfortunately, life is hard so I don't have much time to clean and did their treatment so G96 is my go go hunting lubricant, my bolt action and other lever were treated with G96.

M-Pro 7 is very interesting, it's almost as good as Frog lube but without spending time on the treatment. So my sub 2000 got those lube.

Simple green is good degreaser to take frog lube off. Hope it help.
 
Balance said:
Hey there, what's your opinoin on using mobile 1 full synthetic 5w30 on firearms? Thanks!
Click to expand...

I had use mobile 1 FS 5w30 on my DI AR and runs great. Don't have any issue even at -20c in winter.
I personally like FL and fire clean now and found FC are more easy to clean like after 1000 rounds range trip. Just as easy as wipe and go.
 
Misanthropist made my day with his replies. And wicked_police, I don't think there's even a remote case for an argument from Caramel; arguments require evidence and collation of articulate thoughts.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom