there is nothing in that booklet that states a permit is required for exporting game meat for personal use (not for sale)
Shipping meat from Edmonton to Ottawa
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there is nothing in that booklet that states a permit is required for exporting game meat for personal use (not for sale)
I just flew SK to ON with AC.....it sucked...Westjet was way better, as many hear said.
With AC...first bag was free, 2nd bag was $25. If either was a gun, there was an additional $50 fee, 3rd bag and any others were $100 a piece.
Try and find a friendly looking check in agent....they don't have to charge you any fees....I was able to "negotiate" a very good rate.
Westjet was good....when we were finished the check in agent said not to worry about it.
With AC...first bag was free, 2nd bag was $25. If either was a gun, there was an additional $50 fee, 3rd bag and any others were $100 a piece.
Try and find a friendly looking check in agent....they don't have to charge you any fees....I was able to "negotiate" a very good rate.
Westjet was good....when we were finished the check in agent said not to worry about it.
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That's how I read it..(personal use)
to get this back on track if you look up the Ontario regulation, (pasted below) you will see you can bring back deer family animals to Ontario as long as you meet the requirements laid out in the reg - I emailed the MNR and the guy said just have the meat cut & wrapped and don't bring back any part of the spinal column and you are good to go. (Making the assumption you are deer / elk / moose hunting)
so as long as you don't possess any of the parts listed you are fine.
REGULATING POSSESSION OF CERVIDS TO PREVENT CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE
4.1 This Part applies to cervids that are killed outside Ontario and transported into Ontario. O. Reg. 561/05, s. 2.
4.2 (1) A person shall not possess in Ontario the whole or any part of the antlers, head, brain, eyes, tonsils, hide, hooves, lymph nodes, spleen, mammary glands, entrails, internal organs or spinal column of a cervid that has been killed outside Ontario. O. Reg. 561/05, s. 2.
(2) Subsection (1) does not apply to a person who possesses,
(a) finished taxidermy mounts;
(b) tanned skin;
(c) canine teeth with no tissue attached; or
(d) antlers or a skull cap with antlers attached, as long as there is no tissue or skin attached to them and they are separate from the skull. O. Reg. 561/05, s. 2.
(3) Subsection (1) does not apply to a person who possesses a hide or the skin of the head if,
(a) it is kept in a container from which nothing can escape until it is processed by a tanner or taxidermist and all other tissue has been removed; and
(b) the person delivers the hide or skin of the head to a tanner or taxidermist for processing within five days of it coming into Ontario. O. Reg. 561/05, s. 2.
(4) A person who possesses a hide or skin under subsection (3) and disposes of it shall do so in a waste disposal site as defined in Part V of the Environmental Protection Act. O. Reg. 561/05, s. 2.
(5) Subsection (1) does not apply to a person who possesses a thing referred to in subsection (1) for the purposes of research at a laboratory research facility certified to handle prion disease agents under the Health of Animals Act (Canada) if, from the time it is brought into Ontario until the time it is used, the thing is sealed in a container from which nothing can escape. O. Reg. 561/05, s. 2.
(6) Subsection (1) does not apply to a person who is temporarily in transit through Ontario and possesses a thing referred to in that subsection in a container from which nothing can escape. O. Reg. 561/05, s. 2.
4.3 A person shall not possess a thing in a container under subsection 4.2 (3) or (6) unless the container is labeled to show the species from which the thing comes, the name and address of the person to whom the container belongs and the place where the thing was acquired. O. Reg. 561/05, s. 2.
4.4 A person who possesses a cervid that was killed outside Ontario and transported into Ontario shall, within 24 hours of learning that the cervid has tested positive for chronic wasting disease,
(a) notify a district manager of the Ministry of that fact; and
(b) submit to the district manager details of the transportation and disposition of the cervid, and any other information required by the district manager. O. Reg. 561/05, s. 2.
so as long as you don't possess any of the parts listed you are fine.
REGULATING POSSESSION OF CERVIDS TO PREVENT CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE
4.1 This Part applies to cervids that are killed outside Ontario and transported into Ontario. O. Reg. 561/05, s. 2.
4.2 (1) A person shall not possess in Ontario the whole or any part of the antlers, head, brain, eyes, tonsils, hide, hooves, lymph nodes, spleen, mammary glands, entrails, internal organs or spinal column of a cervid that has been killed outside Ontario. O. Reg. 561/05, s. 2.
(2) Subsection (1) does not apply to a person who possesses,
(a) finished taxidermy mounts;
(b) tanned skin;
(c) canine teeth with no tissue attached; or
(d) antlers or a skull cap with antlers attached, as long as there is no tissue or skin attached to them and they are separate from the skull. O. Reg. 561/05, s. 2.
(3) Subsection (1) does not apply to a person who possesses a hide or the skin of the head if,
(a) it is kept in a container from which nothing can escape until it is processed by a tanner or taxidermist and all other tissue has been removed; and
(b) the person delivers the hide or skin of the head to a tanner or taxidermist for processing within five days of it coming into Ontario. O. Reg. 561/05, s. 2.
(4) A person who possesses a hide or skin under subsection (3) and disposes of it shall do so in a waste disposal site as defined in Part V of the Environmental Protection Act. O. Reg. 561/05, s. 2.
(5) Subsection (1) does not apply to a person who possesses a thing referred to in subsection (1) for the purposes of research at a laboratory research facility certified to handle prion disease agents under the Health of Animals Act (Canada) if, from the time it is brought into Ontario until the time it is used, the thing is sealed in a container from which nothing can escape. O. Reg. 561/05, s. 2.
(6) Subsection (1) does not apply to a person who is temporarily in transit through Ontario and possesses a thing referred to in that subsection in a container from which nothing can escape. O. Reg. 561/05, s. 2.
4.3 A person shall not possess a thing in a container under subsection 4.2 (3) or (6) unless the container is labeled to show the species from which the thing comes, the name and address of the person to whom the container belongs and the place where the thing was acquired. O. Reg. 561/05, s. 2.
4.4 A person who possesses a cervid that was killed outside Ontario and transported into Ontario shall, within 24 hours of learning that the cervid has tested positive for chronic wasting disease,
(a) notify a district manager of the Ministry of that fact; and
(b) submit to the district manager details of the transportation and disposition of the cervid, and any other information required by the district manager. O. Reg. 561/05, s. 2.
Yup. Each way.
Here is the response I got from the USF&W in regards to bringing deer/elk meat back into Canada.
PLEASE note there seems to be a difference between "bringing" it back and "sending" it back. My interpretation of what they are saying is no permit is needed if you accompany your meat/trophy home with you in your personal vehicle (for personal use only not a commercial export) however if you "export" your meat/trophy (and to me this means "sending" it somewhere) there seems to be a requirement.
I will let you make up your own mind as to what you need to do. Pasted below is the entire email from them. Other than I xx'd out my name
Dear M######.
Thank you for your inquiry regarding the exportation of your game trophies to Canada that will require clearance by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. Our mission is, working with others, to conserve, protect and enhance fish, wildlife, and plants and their habitats for the continuing benefit of the American people.
The white-tailed deer, Odocoileus virginianus, and the elk, Cervus elaphus, are not protected species.
Regulations in paragraph (b)(2) at the following link indicate that you can export your white-tailed deer and elk game trophies as personal accompanying baggage without filing a U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service declaration:
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/tex...iv8&view=text&node=50:1.0.1.2.8.6.7.4&idno=50
Please have your hunting license and your white-tailed deer and elk game trophies available for inspection as you prepare to export them out of the United States.
You can export your white-tailed deer and elk game trophies at any designated port listed at the following address: http://www.fws.gov/le/designated-ports.html or, at any of the border ports listed in paragraph (a) at the following link: http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/tex...iv8&view=text&node=50:1.0.1.2.8.2.7.6&idno=50
We require that you contact 48 hours in advance our wildlife inspectors at the port where you will be exporting your white-tailed deer and elk game trophies in order to coordinate their clearance out of the United States. You can find contact information for our wildlife inspectors on our website at the following address: http://www.fws.gov/le/inspection-offices.html
Thank you for your cooperation in complying with our regulations that help protect fish, wildlife, and plants and their habitats. Please feel free to respond to this message with any further inquiries that you may have regarding this matter.
PLEASE note there seems to be a difference between "bringing" it back and "sending" it back. My interpretation of what they are saying is no permit is needed if you accompany your meat/trophy home with you in your personal vehicle (for personal use only not a commercial export) however if you "export" your meat/trophy (and to me this means "sending" it somewhere) there seems to be a requirement.
I will let you make up your own mind as to what you need to do. Pasted below is the entire email from them. Other than I xx'd out my name
Dear M######.
Thank you for your inquiry regarding the exportation of your game trophies to Canada that will require clearance by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. Our mission is, working with others, to conserve, protect and enhance fish, wildlife, and plants and their habitats for the continuing benefit of the American people.
The white-tailed deer, Odocoileus virginianus, and the elk, Cervus elaphus, are not protected species.
Regulations in paragraph (b)(2) at the following link indicate that you can export your white-tailed deer and elk game trophies as personal accompanying baggage without filing a U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service declaration:
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/tex...iv8&view=text&node=50:1.0.1.2.8.6.7.4&idno=50
Please have your hunting license and your white-tailed deer and elk game trophies available for inspection as you prepare to export them out of the United States.
You can export your white-tailed deer and elk game trophies at any designated port listed at the following address: http://www.fws.gov/le/designated-ports.html or, at any of the border ports listed in paragraph (a) at the following link: http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/tex...iv8&view=text&node=50:1.0.1.2.8.2.7.6&idno=50
We require that you contact 48 hours in advance our wildlife inspectors at the port where you will be exporting your white-tailed deer and elk game trophies in order to coordinate their clearance out of the United States. You can find contact information for our wildlife inspectors on our website at the following address: http://www.fws.gov/le/inspection-offices.html
Thank you for your cooperation in complying with our regulations that help protect fish, wildlife, and plants and their habitats. Please feel free to respond to this message with any further inquiries that you may have regarding this matter.
Clear as mud....lol
Like I say...I was turned back by the Canadians once because I did not have the U.S. export permit and was subsequently issued an export permit on the U.S. side and then permitted to cross. If it wasn't required I doubt they would have issued it. I have stopped on the U.S. side every time since and had the permit issued before proceeding out of the country. It's free and I can't see why a person wouldn't stop on the way out to ensure all was in order.
Like I say...I was turned back by the Canadians once because I did not have the U.S. export permit and was subsequently issued an export permit on the U.S. side and then permitted to cross. If it wasn't required I doubt they would have issued it. I have stopped on the U.S. side every time since and had the permit issued before proceeding out of the country. It's free and I can't see why a person wouldn't stop on the way out to ensure all was in order.
maple_leaf_eh
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
My travelling after hunting stories always include Westjet. In the past I have shipped Rubbermaid tubs with the lids tie-wrapped in place. Much more than 24" wide is too much, and gets too heavy.
The preboarding inspection system works. One time I was asked if I had been hunting. Yes. What kind of rifle did I shoot. So I told the Commissionaire. Did you forget any rounds? Didn't think so, but maybe. Come around and look here. Gulp! A single cartridge showed up on the xray! Unpack that bag and find a single dropped and recovered cartridge from a pants pocket. Close everything up and get the bag into the hold on time.
If you are serving or retired military, the big airlines are offering no-cost extra bags as per:
CANFORGEN 110/14 CMP 047/14 071213Z JUL 14
WESTJET AND AIR CANADA ENHANCED BAGGAGE ALLOWANCE
UNCLASSIFIED
CURRENTLY SERVING AND FORMER MEMBERS OF THE CANADIAN ARMED FORCES (CAF) NOW BENEFIT FROM AN ENHANCED BAGGAGE ALLOWANCE WHEN THEY TRAVEL ON A WESTJET, AIR CANADA, AIR CANADA ROUGE OR AIR CANADA EXPRESS FLIGHT. THESE OFFERS APPLY TO BOTH DUTY AND LEISURE TRAVEL
THROUGH WESTJET, ALL CURRENTLY SERVING AND FORMER MEMBERS OF THE CAF CAN CHECK FOUR PIECES OF LUGGAGE FREE OF CHARGE
THROUGH AIR CANADA, ALL CURRENTLY SERVING AND FORMER MEMBERS CAN CHECK THREE PIECES OF LUGGAGE FREE OF CHARGE, EACH WEIGHING UP TO 32 KG (70 LB)
AFTER COMPLETING THEIR CHECK-IN, MEMBERS SHOULD SEE AN AIRPORT AGENT TO HAVE THEIR BAGGAGE FEE WAIVED, UPON PRESENTATION OF MILITARY IDENTIFICATION
ACCEPTABLE FORMS OF CANADIAN MILITARY IDENTIFICATION ARE:
CANADIAN FORCES MEMBER OR VETERAN CFONE CARD (WITH PHOTO ID)
CANADIAN FORCES IDENTIFICATION CARD (NDI 20)
RECORD OF SERVICE CARD (NDI 75)
CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE (CF 54) OR THE IDENTIFICATION CARD (CF 75), BOTH AVAILABLE FROM DIRECTOR MILITARY CAREERS ADMINISTRATION
AS THE OFFICIAL DISCOUNT PROGRAM FOR THE CAF, THE CF APPRECIATION PROGRAM OFFERS MEMBERS OF THE CAF COMMUNITY ACCESS TO GOODS AND SERVICES AT DISCOUNTED RATES. THE CF APPRECIATION PROGRAM IS PLEASED TO INCLUDE AIR CANADA AND WESTJET AMONG ITS INDUSTRY PARTNERS
The preboarding inspection system works. One time I was asked if I had been hunting. Yes. What kind of rifle did I shoot. So I told the Commissionaire. Did you forget any rounds? Didn't think so, but maybe. Come around and look here. Gulp! A single cartridge showed up on the xray! Unpack that bag and find a single dropped and recovered cartridge from a pants pocket. Close everything up and get the bag into the hold on time.
If you are serving or retired military, the big airlines are offering no-cost extra bags as per:
CANFORGEN 110/14 CMP 047/14 071213Z JUL 14
WESTJET AND AIR CANADA ENHANCED BAGGAGE ALLOWANCE
UNCLASSIFIED
CURRENTLY SERVING AND FORMER MEMBERS OF THE CANADIAN ARMED FORCES (CAF) NOW BENEFIT FROM AN ENHANCED BAGGAGE ALLOWANCE WHEN THEY TRAVEL ON A WESTJET, AIR CANADA, AIR CANADA ROUGE OR AIR CANADA EXPRESS FLIGHT. THESE OFFERS APPLY TO BOTH DUTY AND LEISURE TRAVEL
THROUGH WESTJET, ALL CURRENTLY SERVING AND FORMER MEMBERS OF THE CAF CAN CHECK FOUR PIECES OF LUGGAGE FREE OF CHARGE
THROUGH AIR CANADA, ALL CURRENTLY SERVING AND FORMER MEMBERS CAN CHECK THREE PIECES OF LUGGAGE FREE OF CHARGE, EACH WEIGHING UP TO 32 KG (70 LB)
AFTER COMPLETING THEIR CHECK-IN, MEMBERS SHOULD SEE AN AIRPORT AGENT TO HAVE THEIR BAGGAGE FEE WAIVED, UPON PRESENTATION OF MILITARY IDENTIFICATION
ACCEPTABLE FORMS OF CANADIAN MILITARY IDENTIFICATION ARE:
CANADIAN FORCES MEMBER OR VETERAN CFONE CARD (WITH PHOTO ID)
CANADIAN FORCES IDENTIFICATION CARD (NDI 20)
RECORD OF SERVICE CARD (NDI 75)
CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE (CF 54) OR THE IDENTIFICATION CARD (CF 75), BOTH AVAILABLE FROM DIRECTOR MILITARY CAREERS ADMINISTRATION
AS THE OFFICIAL DISCOUNT PROGRAM FOR THE CAF, THE CF APPRECIATION PROGRAM OFFERS MEMBERS OF THE CAF COMMUNITY ACCESS TO GOODS AND SERVICES AT DISCOUNTED RATES. THE CF APPRECIATION PROGRAM IS PLEASED TO INCLUDE AIR CANADA AND WESTJET AMONG ITS INDUSTRY PARTNERS
I was flying out of Whitehorse one time and as my carry on was going through x-ray, the lady calmly asked my if I'd forgotten any ammunition in my bag. My stomach jumped up into my throat. She opened the bag, pulled out a .338 round and apologized that she had to seize it. She grabbed a box from underneath the machine and through the round in the box along with many others. If that had happened in a major city I'm sure I'd still be in jail...lol
Cancel your flight and fly with west jet, cheaper for extra baggage and cheaper to bring a gun along. And then do as other said! Check an extra piece of luggage, cooler well taped shut, like... VERY well~! Those ground people throw s*it everywhere!
Best of luck on your hunt!
Best of luck on your hunt!
Well managed to pack frozen bounty into a cooler - seal it w tape and checked it in. Should have figured it would be easy seeing as I was flying from Edmonton. Air Canada staff were very helpful and even shared some of their own stories.
Thanks for all input.
G
Thanks for all input.
G
