Smokin deals on Grand Power 9mm's/.22's and range reports
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OK folks, not to put out the fire on the enthusiasm here, but some of the discussion about the pricing here is bordering on grounds for a Form 1 committal.
Dlask Arms are blowing out their remaining stock at prices that are below their cost. Not my place to criticize them. It's their money.
However, before you get yourself worked up about price increases, stop and ponder.
The last Dlask order was paid for when the Euro was weaker.
The product they ordered was the small box without the extra back straps.
There pricing was without any dealer margin, or parts support.
Going forward we have distributors in Canada and the US who are committed to getting both the guns and the parts and accessories within the reach of every potential buyer through established retail outlets. You will note that the MSRP on both sides of the border will be very similar when the currency difference is accounted for. The X-Calibur is $1150 Canadian or $999 US. The list price in Europe is 1000 Euros.
Getting a bargain is great. Hoping for a bargain in normal, but do keep your eyes open. When you see a price on a website that hasn't had stock in over a year, the current price might have changed. We all saw it over the last few years with all the major manufacturers. Webstores often list items that have not been available for a while, and update the price only when new stock becomes available.
Dlask Arms are blowing out their remaining stock at prices that are below their cost. Not my place to criticize them. It's their money.
However, before you get yourself worked up about price increases, stop and ponder.
The last Dlask order was paid for when the Euro was weaker.
The product they ordered was the small box without the extra back straps.
There pricing was without any dealer margin, or parts support.
Going forward we have distributors in Canada and the US who are committed to getting both the guns and the parts and accessories within the reach of every potential buyer through established retail outlets. You will note that the MSRP on both sides of the border will be very similar when the currency difference is accounted for. The X-Calibur is $1150 Canadian or $999 US. The list price in Europe is 1000 Euros.
Getting a bargain is great. Hoping for a bargain in normal, but do keep your eyes open. When you see a price on a website that hasn't had stock in over a year, the current price might have changed. We all saw it over the last few years with all the major manufacturers. Webstores often list items that have not been available for a while, and update the price only when new stock becomes available.
The Canadian dollar vs the US dollar, as well as the Canadian dollar vs the Euro move around each and everyday. For those that travel to the US or Europe you are familiar with some of the challenges in getting the best rate for your foreign exchange. For many you are trying to hit a single point in time to do your buy. Now imagine having to do this multiple times and still fix all of your retail prices.
In addition, inflation at different rates between all the countries involved places pressure on prices as well.
So it is naïve to think that a price set 5 years ago will remain constant over time.
What you have to look at is the value of the item in relationship to other comparable items and decide for yourself if you are continuing to get good value.
I know that that I am. Your mileage may differ.
In addition, inflation at different rates between all the countries involved places pressure on prices as well.
So it is naïve to think that a price set 5 years ago will remain constant over time.
What you have to look at is the value of the item in relationship to other comparable items and decide for yourself if you are continuing to get good value.
I know that that I am. Your mileage may differ.
I have a K100 Target Mk 7. For those of you that haven't had the chance to see a Grand Power in person, let me reassure you, these are solid, well built pistols made from quality materials. They are a no brainer at the fire sale pricing, but even at full pricing they are still excellent value for the money.
You may never see this pricing again, but hopefully with the new distributor you'll actually see some in your local gun store, and you can see for yourself what Grand Power is about. I didn't hesitate to pick up a K22S to go with my K100.
You may never see this pricing again, but hopefully with the new distributor you'll actually see some in your local gun store, and you can see for yourself what Grand Power is about. I didn't hesitate to pick up a K22S to go with my K100.
I guess I don't understand the new price strategy if GP wants to sell more pistols in Canada.... Raising the prices tends to have the opposite effect.... Lol.
How long did it take STI to move 100,000 pistols in the US at $500+/-? 6 years or so?
How long did it take STI to move 100,000 pistols in the US at $500+/-? 6 years or so?
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How many S&W or CZ would be sold in Canada if they were only available from a single dealer?
How many gun purchase decisions have been cemented once you've seen and held the gun in person?
Stocking dealers are under pressure from all sides, but there is no more effective sales tool than the in person handling of the gun at the showcase.
Wow! Some of those prices strike me as pretty ambitious for a relatively unknown product trying to break into a market.
I'm not suggesting that pricing should be compared to Dlask's clearout sale but they seem high compared to some other well known, well established brands and what "retail" was from Dlask before the blowout.
I guess time will tell, but at those price points I have to wonder if GP will be any more successful in Canada in the years to come.
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I mean I like my GP but I'm not sure that if there hadn't been a price incentive at the time I wouldn't have gone with something more established like a S&W or a CZ
I'm not suggesting that pricing should be compared to Dlask's clearout sale but they seem high compared to some other well known, well established brands and what "retail" was from Dlask before the blowout.
I guess time will tell, but at those price points I have to wonder if GP will be any more successful in Canada in the years to come.
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I mean I like my GP but I'm not sure that if there hadn't been a price incentive at the time I wouldn't have gone with something more established like a S&W or a CZ
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I think Canuck223 answered already answered that one. Dlask is blowing out their remaining stock they brought in at more favorable exchange rates. It's not unusual for new stock to cost more and prices to go up. I'm loving my X-Calibur, the build quality is great and they are great shooters.
Jump in the wayback machine and look up the MSRP at the time.
STI did fine with the line right up until Dave Skinner retired and sold the business to the employees as a EOSC.
At that point the new employee directed management team lost interest in using available capital to import and distribute a gun that wasn't in their core 1911 business model.
From what I understand the guns have just arrived in country so I'd guess nobody yet.
As to who is going to be carrying GP's I'm given to understand that information is not yet being released.
Wow! Some of those prices strike me as pretty ambitious for a relatively unknown product trying to break into a market.
I'm not suggesting that pricing should be compared to Dlask's clearout sale but they seem high compared to some other well known, well established brands and what "retail" was from Dlask before the blowout.
I guess time will tell, but at those price points I have to wonder if GP will be any more successful in Canada in the years to come.
EAA had the same view in distributing Tanfoglio in the US.
They took a Porsche and did there damnedest to try and push them as Volkswagens. They are only now getting the reputation they deserve in the US, largely despite their distributor.
The Grand Power pistols design, ergonomics, handling, and quality of construction places it as a premium product.
It's priced fairly, and folks will come to appreciate that fact.
Strip one down and compare it to other brands.
There are no cast parts.
There are no MIM parts.
There are no rough machine marks.
The frame is a CNC steel chassis, not injected molded with metal frame rails.
It has a trigger that out of the box is better than most guns after tuning.
Need I say more?
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Fair enough. If you can successfully brand them as "High end" and "European craftmanship" etc etc there is no reason they won't sell. Just not in the volumes of a more mainstream gun.
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"The Grand Power pistols design, ergonomics, handling, and quality of construction places it as a premium product.
It's priced fairly, and folks will come to appreciate that fact.
Strip one down and compare it to other brands.
There are no cast parts.
There are no MIM parts.
There are no rough machine marks.
The frame is a CNC steel chassis, not injected molded with metal frame rails.
It has a trigger that out of the box is better than most guns after tuning.
Need I say more?"
You're good
Makes me wish i'd grabbed a X-Trim at 449 as well as the K22S. Oh well, it's a moot point now. I just looked at the Dlask site and everything is sold out except the K22S.
Fair enough. If you can successfully brand them as "High end" and "European craftmanship" etc etc there is no reason they won't sell. Just not in the volumes of a more mainstream gun.
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"The Grand Power pistols design, ergonomics, handling, and quality of construction places it as a premium product.
It's priced fairly, and folks will come to appreciate that fact.
Strip one down and compare it to other brands.
There are no cast parts.
There are no MIM parts.
There are no rough machine marks.
The frame is a CNC steel chassis, not injected molded with metal frame rails.
It has a trigger that out of the box is better than most guns after tuning.
Need I say more?"
You're good
Makes me wish i'd grabbed a X-Trim at 449 as well as the K22S. Oh well, it's a moot point now. I just looked at the Dlask site and everything is sold out except the K22S.
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the GP guns are good guns, at the old prices they were my hands down choice for a production gun if you forced me to shoot production. At the new prices? its not so hands down, but even the new price is the same as you would be into a base shadow for after AL grips, thin safeties, recoil springs ect. So I'd still buy one for production. However I do have reservations because of the issue with the safety that I experienced and Calibre experienced with their test gun; because of these reservations I would highly recommend against anyone using the extended safeties for any reason when shooting double action first shot and never using it cocked and locked in a holster.
I also think its stupid for it to not have more grip from the factory, its a competition gun and I cant stipple my entire grip in production so I'm stuck with grip tape which feels like garbage.
I also think its stupid for it to not have more grip from the factory, its a competition gun and I cant stipple my entire grip in production so I'm stuck with grip tape which feels like garbage.
My point is if prices are in same range of other main stream brands then people will buy what they know. And there is no issue buying what is good and known. Now these are good quality and we know that here but most have no clue of the brand. That takes time so a price that is a little lower then the known well speed that up a lot. Also no one trying to say the bargain basement price of the blowout here is what we expect, but let's say a k100 base is comparable to base 226 and say a 226 base is 900$ for a number. Is the k100 is priced say 750 to 800 range people will look closer. It its the same price most will say I know sig and that's it.
I really hope they do well to be honest but would hope they price to sell and to become known. And you don't have to sellnthat cheep as my example shows.
I really hope they do well to be honest but would hope they price to sell and to become known. And you don't have to sellnthat cheep as my example shows.
I realize Canuck cleared up the de-cocker part of your comments, but I was just looking at Grand Power's website and under accessories it looks like they have a flat button setup to disable the manual safety all together.
