Modified vs Cylinder bore

Toto said:
Actually, there isn't a lot of choices, stock wise, for the 590's. I don't know anyone who actually shoot with rounds in the stock. I've had these on many guns (590's and 870's) and have never had any issues with them. I find them very comfortable to shoot..... but that's just me.
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500/590 take the same stock so there is quite a few stock options for the 590A1. I have 3 different ones being shipped to me right now to experiment with and I have a wood & OEM stock right now.

It's good to know that if I buy a model with the speedfeed that someone will buy it.
 
You want tight patterns?….this 590A1 20"bbl had the VCS system done by TacOrd. The back-boring consistently groups all 9 pellets (00buck) into man-sized targets at 25yrds.
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st1264 said:
500/590 take the same stock so there is quite a few stock options for the 590A1. I have 3 different ones being shipped to me right now to experiment with and I have a wood & OEM stock right now.

It's good to know that if I buy a model with the speedfeed that someone will buy it.
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Hmmmmm..... didn't realize the 500's fit the 590's. I've never owned a 500. In that case, I may have to keep an eye out for a nice wood set for one of my 590's.
 
Toto said:
Hmmmmm..... didn't realize the 500's fit the 590's. I've never owned a 500. In that case, I may have to keep an eye out for a nice wood set for one of my 590's.
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Just be wary of the different action bar sizes. 14" 590 has the short forend.
 
Toto said:
Hmmmmm..... didn't realize the 500's fit the 590's. I've never owned a 500. In that case, I may have to keep an eye out for a nice wood set for one of my 590's.
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I like the way you think. I fell in love at first sight seeing this...

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That is an American dude's gun from another forum.
Those wood corn cobs aren't easy to find. He also had to find a separate stock and work on it to colour match the cob. The heatsheild also took some work to attach. He's got some pretty gnarly screws holding it together on closer pics.
 
st1264 said:
I know, that's why I don't want to pay more for a gun that has one installed, when I know I'm going to rip it off and throw it in the spare parts bin before I even shoot it.

Bring a 590A1 with BOTH BARRELS and watch it sell like hotcakes.
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I just look at it from a simple point of view. Beads where 600.00. This is a the same gun with ghost rings and a speed feed. Ghost ring would easily be 100.00 to add after the fact (Scattergun are 150.00 just for the sights) and when mine comes I'll sell the sf stock for 50 bucks in the ee... So a set or tritium ghost ring sights for an additional 50.00 yes please.
 
lil_juiced_coupe said:
I just look at it from a simple point of view. Beads where 600.00. This is a the same gun with ghost rings and a speed feed. Ghost ring would easily be 100.00 to add after the fact (Scattergun are 150.00 just for the sights) and when mine comes I'll sell the sf stock for 50 bucks in the ee... So a set or tritium ghost ring sights for an additional 50.00 yes please.
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I wouldnt get too excited. There is often a large discrepancy with POA vs POI with GRs on short barrel shotguns. You'll be sacrificing accuracy for perceived low cost extras that won't add anything extra to function. A simple bead in this configuration is more effective.
 
Bead sights are actually the problem you speak of on short barrels. That's why Remington puts a pedestal under the 870P 18" barrel's bead. My 14" HP-9 shot to POA at 10 yds with buckshot but shot high with slugs. When I put a 12.5" barrel on it, it was a foot high at 25 yds. My 8.5" Grizzly was a foot high at 15 yds. With GRS you simply sight in for the distance you want. They're quite useful on short barrels but they're not for everybody.

EL34/6L6 said:
I wouldnt get too excited. There is often a large discrepancy with POA vs POI with GRs on short barrel shotguns. You'll be sacrificing accuracy for perceived low cost extras that won't add anything extra to function. A simple bead in this configuration is more effective.
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EL34/6L6 said:
I wouldnt get too excited. There is often a large discrepancy with POA vs POI with GRs on short barrel shotguns. You'll be sacrificing accuracy for perceived low cost extras that won't add anything extra to function. A simple bead in this configuration is more effective.
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Well aware of the discrepancy the the sb. not worried about it at all, tons of reports on these sights working out fine on the shorty's, just requiring some fine tuning on the shooters part.
 
supernova said:
Bead sights are actually the problem you speak of on short barrels. That's why Remington puts a pedestal under the 870P 18" barrel's bead. My 14" HP-9 shot to POA at 10 yds with buckshot but shot high with slugs. When I put a 12.5" barrel on it, it was a foot high at 25 yds. My 8.5" Grizzly was a foot high at 15 yds. With GRS you simply sight in for the distance you want. They're quite useful on short barrels but they're not for everybody.
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Today, I had no issues at all distances with the bead. Super fast line of sight acquisition too.
I enjoy the Mossberg GRs on my 20" 590, but with the 30 yard max shooting I'm doing with my 14" I have no issues with the simple bead. Less to get hung up on too for a pack gun. The only advantage I see to ghost-rings on this length of barrel is more precision at intermediate ranges using slugs. I can see them being a bit of a drawback at CQ use as they can take an extra moment to aquire a close target on the fly. So, a trade off.
Many will be thrilled with the version Epps is offering though.

Do you find sighting GRs in for one distance, basically results in you having to compensate POA anyway at distances further and closer like with a bead?
Also, the front rifle sight of ghost rings can obscure a close range target. The Mossberg one is actually a tall rifle sight, not a small short one like the XS. But I guess at that range you're just pointing, not aiming lol.
 
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Beads have worked for many years, it's good enough for a SBS which will be at close quarters. Not many will try to hit a gong with slugs at 150yds like Hickock45 with his PGO Mossy w/bead.
 
That would depend on how close you sight in and how far out you want to shoot. Obviously shotguns have a crazy trajectory unlike a rifle so even from 20 to 100 yds there is a lot of drop. Generally I pick a typical distance I shoot at and pick a sight in distance that gives the least impact change over the max range I want to shoot. However with full power slugs out to 50 yds or so there just isn't enough trajectory to worry about. I'll sight for 15-25 yds and do just fine to reasonable distances but like you say, the GRS really helps as distance increases. The sights are still crude but having a rear sight is nice for those longer shots. It really is about preference not which is better. I've used a bead sight out to 100 yds and made decent hits with a 20" but that same size bead on a shorty is like aiming with a golf ball for a front sight past 50 yds or so. Another option for GRS is swapping the front sight for something finer. A huge front sight is just not necessary, something around .060"-.070" works well for me. Anything with a dovetail upfront is a simple process to swap in a new front sight. Buy one taller than you need and file it to bring POI to where you want it, or within the range of adjustment of your rear sight.

EL34/6L6 said:
Do you find sighting GRs in for one distance, basically results in you having to compensate POA anyway at distances further and closer like with a bead?
Also, the front rifle sight of ghost rings can obscure a close range target. The Mossberg one is actually a tall rifle sight, not a small short one like the XS. But I guess at that range you're just pointing, not aiming lol.
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870P said:
In a defensive type shotgun, a tighter choke makes for much more useful practice with birdshot IMO.
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^My few personal experiences too. I have a few Ithaca riot guns. Which seem to perform pretty good with buckshot or slugs with the cylinder choke.

However while small game hunting in the same shotguns, 1 7/8 ounce BB lead was killing by sheer luck of volume of shot, versus density of pattern.

At 30 yards one lonely pellet found the sitting hare, breaking foreleg and entering the chest cavity. I've had very similar results with #3 buckshot out of a Savage Camper 24-C with it's cylinder choke as well a long time ago.

Using the Ithaca riot gun at 35 yards on a ruffed grouse demonstrated a weak ineffectual pattern using old Canuck #4 birdshot.
 
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supernova said:
Bead sights are actually the problem you speak of on short barrels. That's why Remington puts a pedestal under the 870P 18" barrel's bead. My 14" HP-9 shot to POA at 10 yds with buckshot but shot high with slugs. When I put a 12.5" barrel on it, it was a foot high at 25 yds. My 8.5" Grizzly was a foot high at 15 yds. With GRS you simply sight in for the distance you want. They're quite useful on short barrels but they're not for everybody.
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I've seen this time and time again with factory short barreled shotguns or home workshop chop jobs. Short barrel=printing slugs very high at regular shooting distances.

Heck, even my 20 inch barreled DSPS Ithacas tend to toss the Winchester foster slug high at 100 yards, even with the rear sight ramp in it's lowest position.
But at 25 yards many of these shotguns print slugs POA for me also and at 50 yards just about three inches high, but right on target.

Cheers!
 
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