Dogs hunting deer in Ont.
- Thread starter RobP
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So your "obvious choice" for farmers/landowners is to "suck it up"? Is that also sarcasm or a fact?!
Here is a weird idea; if ones dogs regularly end up on other people's property and push deer away from other hunters or disturb their hunt in anyway, or they tend to end up in other hunters camp for the night year after year and the handler doesn't give a damn to look for them, then maybe it is time for you to retire those poor dogs! No?
As to your second comment that it is only city dudes who have problem with this, and "Locals" apparently love it, you have no idea how mistaken you are. More than once I have had to lower some "local" guys' rifle barrel and tell him please don't, they are just doing what they have been told to do. In fact, I think any petition to ban dog hunting will be received very well in most areas.
BTW, I actually am a city person. But I bet I know a lot more than you about my hunt area locals because I hunt with them every session.
Lol. Well, I sure hope you would know more about YOUR "hunt area locals" than some fella you've never met on CGN!
But thanks for your input. You're right. Not all land owners are on board. And I completly agree about retiring wayward dogs. It's often the same few dogs that end up crossing my path.
Cheers,
KJ
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"I will tell you 100% that there is no doubt dogs cause bucks to go completely nocturnal, proven every year here with cameras, impossible for them not to when your running the same couple hundred acres every day!"
I've been hunting the same areas of southern Ont. for decades where deer hounds are not allowed and the bucks are as nocturnal here as in central Ont.. Using your logic though, up until a few weeks ago, I had been running my coonhound several times a week where I am now deer hunting. While she hasn't run deer, she does make a helluva racket when striking track, running through the bush and treeing. No doubt she has bumped a number of deer around in the dark, but they aren't any less nocturnal due to it.
I've been hunting the same areas of southern Ont. for decades where deer hounds are not allowed and the bucks are as nocturnal here as in central Ont.. Using your logic though, up until a few weeks ago, I had been running my coonhound several times a week where I am now deer hunting. While she hasn't run deer, she does make a helluva racket when striking track, running through the bush and treeing. No doubt she has bumped a number of deer around in the dark, but they aren't any less nocturnal due to it.
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Scent hounds run tracks. They go where the track leads them and are frequently and quickly, out of earshot. They do not work closely with their handlers. They are extremely independent and it is a bred in, and desirable, trait. Centuries of breeding is in the blood of scent hounds, for the soul purpose of working tracks. The idea for the hunters is to get positioned ahead of where the deer may come through, ahead of the hounds. In the thick bush of places like Ontario (and much of Europe where many breeds originated) running hounds gets deer moving rather than hunkered down in the heavy brush. Many deer houndsmen prefer beagles because they are solid little hounds that aren't fast enough to chase deer out of the countryside. Generally, they just sort of move them along. Sometimes deer will get into large, thick, swampy areas and the slow pace of beagles won't get the deer out. That's when having a faster, leggier, hound can pay off. However, the quality of shooting opportunities may diminish as the deer are running faster to stay ahead of the bigger hound.
Like anything else, some deer hunters love their hounds and do all they can to ensure that they are safely home each night. Many use tracking collars to help locate them when they are out of hearing range... Some don't care much about the hounds and view them as expendable. The latter crowd make it bad for the dogs and houndsmen who truly love to hunt with hounds.
Hunting with hounds, for anything, adds so much. It is a natural hunting partnership that goes back thousands of years. There are few experiences in hunting that can make a hunter smile like the sound of their hound opening up on a track.
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Theres a huge difference between bumping a deer and then ignoring it and actually chasing it.
The problem for me comes when its still bow season and there are dogs running through the bush after coyotes, and then when I come out of the bush, there are 20 some trucks parked along the road along private property where they have no permission to hunt!!
Sounds like the problem of missing dogs could be solved by hiring in migrant workers and sending them into the bush. They can't read either, so apparently you can't take issue with them being on your property, but they are more likely to return home every night.
Forget migrant workers!! You just solved Canada's social welfare problems!! The few individuals I know can't read either... Brilliant!
I have no problem with natural transgressions of dogs during a hunt, but when dogs are released on one side of another hunter/camp's private property to run thru in hopes to push deer into the neighbouring property/camp, it is a bad practice
Release the dogs on the property you hunt and have fun
Release the dogs on the property you hunt and have fun
ain't no dogs going deer hunting here in MB! I got two that would be raring to go, but it's a no no here! Boo-woo, my Pals are very disappointed! We travel the trails in the off season and when they see deer and bears, they are sooooooo excited.
Actually hunting is pretty good. Until one has hunted with dogs they can't quite grasp the concept. I have introduced a number of hunters to hunting deer with hounds. They all loved it!
The dogs running benefit everyone hunting around them. They move deer! More than just the deer they are on! The more deer moved is the more deer seen!
Because dogs pushed through your area doesn't mean your hunt is ruined. The total opposite. Deer that weren't being chased are still there, now moving around till it calms down. Deer from other areas are also circling round back to their comfort zone. Maybe through your area. The deer that the dogs ran on are returning in short order. All good if you understand how it works and take advantage. Sit tight and wait rather than leave in a huff thinking your hunt is in ruin. It's not!. You will be surprised!
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Did I say it was one set of beagles??
I think most who think it's ok for guys to let their dogs do it are probably ok with stepping over the property line themselves.
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I am going to assume you don't know much about the southern Ontario landscape. Or archery hunting mature whitetails.
Or maybe you just aren't very smart.
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Honest question for curiosity's sake waterfowler:
Which WMU's in Southern Ontario allow deer hunting with dogs?
I looked through the 2014 summary (it's listed with the open seasons), and couldn't find any that allow it. That said, it a bit of a convoluted mess looking back and forth between the WMU maps and Season pages. Or better yet, which WMU do you hunt in?
If dogs are banned there, there, then you've got an easy way to deal with your problem
Just call the MNR.
I've hunted bears with hounds before and it was without question, the most exciting hunt I've been on in my life. I still remember it to this day and bring it up almost every time I tell hunting stories to friends. It's something everyone must try at least once, and make sure to do it while you're young because its a lot of work. However, this was all done in N. Ontario miles away from any private property.
People work their asses off to afford a little piece of hunting property of their own, so they can be left alone. A much greater effort should be made so that is respected.
Dogs can't read signs, that's obvious. We all know dogs don't know property boundaries, and they don't have to. That is your responsibility. Where the dogs go is your responsibility. What the dogs do is your responsibility. You are responsible for everything that dog does, whether or not it listens is still your responsibility. Your dog, your responsibility.
People who own the land in the area you hunt are also the same ones who vote in the local elections. Don't give them a reason to turn against you.
People work their asses off to afford a little piece of hunting property of their own, so they can be left alone. A much greater effort should be made so that is respected.
Dogs can't read signs, that's obvious. We all know dogs don't know property boundaries, and they don't have to. That is your responsibility. Where the dogs go is your responsibility. What the dogs do is your responsibility. You are responsible for everything that dog does, whether or not it listens is still your responsibility. Your dog, your responsibility.
People who own the land in the area you hunt are also the same ones who vote in the local elections. Don't give them a reason to turn against you.
