25 Yard Freestyle Accuracy.....let's play a game.

Nope, I have not been to insight nor trained with any of their instructors. Why do you ask???

TDC

Because he teaches to how to have touching bullet holes ( or one friggin' big hole after 24 rounds ) at 7 yards. With Glocks. Helped me a step forward.
CG
 
CeeZer has been a huge influence at our local range and that's why many of us have Shadows. :)


Thanks for the clarification. I've never shot or scored competitively so I was being conservative. It's more motivation for me to get better to have all rounds clearly in the 10 ring. :)

Thank you for the thank you :) I think you shoot way more accurate than me now, but wait till I get my new glasses done (when I get $$ for it), already have a new Rx and more so - right eye at front sight distance and left for distance... that should help a bunch with my high Rx :)
It's becoming a 'Shadow club' now LOL...

And here is something for HG shooters to review:
http://blog.cheaperthandirt.com/tips-building-perfect-high-performance-handgun-grip/
 
I don't think I've ever even tried shooting at 7 yards. I'll have to try it out, maybe it's harder than it sounds. Don't think I've ever made a one hole group at any range with a pistol, unless the first shot counts as a group ;)

I printed the target (10 copies), going to the range with a buddy on Tuesday, will try the 25 yard 10 round group after a little practice. I have a new to me Deagle and Raging Bull both in 44mag to shoot and I haven't played with my 1911 for a while so hopefully I don't embarrass myself. I've been spending too much time with the rifles and have neglected my pistols in 2014. I'll take all 5 of my handguns and see which one does best :)

Can we use a fricken laser? lol.
 
I don't think I've ever even tried shooting at 7 yards. I'll have to try it out, maybe it's harder than it sounds. Don't think I've ever made a one hole group at any range with a pistol, unless the first shot counts as a group ;)

I printed the target (10 copies), going to the range with a buddy on Tuesday, will try the 25 yard 10 round group after a little practice. I have a new to me Deagle and Raging Bull both in 44mag to shoot and I haven't played with my 1911 for a while so hopefully I don't embarrass myself. I've been spending too much time with the rifles and have neglected my pistols in 2014. I'll take all 5 of my handguns and see which one does best :)

Can we use a fricken laser? lol.

Depends how fast you're going, what you're doing, and to what accuracy standards you're being held.

At 7 yards, a draw from concealment, 2 shots into a 3x5 card, a reload, and 4 shots into an 8" circle is very challenging if you're trying to get under 5 seconds.

50 shots into a 2" circle at 7 yards in under a minute is also tricky...you start to fatigue.

And, of course, as you say, you've never done a one-hole group. Punching a single hole with 10 rounds at 7 yards is a good workout.
 
One interesting thing about fatigue - it teaches you a LOT about yourself and the way you shoot :)
I'd say it's a must in teaching or learning. Thou, we all know "nobody can teach but one can learn"... :)
1K rounds in contiguous 3hrs run can teach more than same 1K in 3 months.
 
One interesting thing about fatigue - it teaches you a LOT about yourself and the way you shoot :)
I'd say it's a must in teaching or learning. Thou, we all know "nobody can teach but one can learn"... :)
1K rounds in contiguous 3hrs run can teach more than same 1K in 3 months.

I agree to a point. When your arms are so tired you're shaking and your hands are sore, its time to stop. Shooting X number of rounds simply because you feel that more rounds equals more practice is false. Poor form due to fatigue is simply a waste of ammo and often frustrating as you see your performance degrade and begin to doubt your abilities.

TDC
 
My take is - when one is tired and cannot concentrate as much either, they fall back to habits and/or their most 'natural instinct'. That's where you catch them. If they are smart enough than ('then' could have been used too :) me think) they could catch themselves and observe themselves to learn on.
 
One interesting thing about fatigue - it teaches you a LOT about yourself and the way you shoot :)
I'd say it's a must in teaching or learning. Thou, we all know "nobody can teach but one can learn"... :)
1K rounds in contiguous 3hrs run can teach more than same 1K in 3 months.

I disagree. If I'm training hard and running a bunch of tests at the range, 250 - 300 rounds is about as far as I can go before I start to lose focus, and/or my forearms are getting tired.

I pretty sure that anyone who can shoot 95 or higher on a B8 at 25 yards can consistently shoot one hole groups at 7 yards. I've not always known the reverse to be true though, for a lot of factors. That's not a slam against anyone, just stating my experience.
 
I disagree. If I'm training hard and running a bunch of tests at the range, 250 - 300 rounds is about as far as I can go before I start to lose focus, and/or my forearms are getting tired.

I pretty sure that anyone who can shoot 95 or higher on a B8 at 25 yards can consistently shoot one hole groups at 7 yards. I've not always known the reverse to be true though, for a lot of factors. That's not a slam against anyone, just stating my experience.

I agree with all of this. I can do 500 rounds in a day if I have all day but I need a lot of breaks. 250 rounds is about perfect for me for one trip.
 
If you take the time to read about Olympic pistol shooting teams (archers too for that matter) they follow a great training regimen designed specifically to strengthen the upper body muscles that we utilize.

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Thanks. I'll check it out.

Trying to keep this thread on topic and relating this to accurate shooting at longer distances - I'm curious what TDC and other super accurate shooters do to shoot really tight groups. Is your physical conditioning and muscle motor control at the point where you can have a rock solid sight picture at 25 yards, or are you like me where your gun is moving around a bit and you pull the trigger when the sight picture is "about" on target and hope for the best? :)
 
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