Dogs hunting deer in Ont.

kodiakjack said:
Honest question for curiosity's sake waterfowler:

Which WMU's in Southern Ontario allow deer hunting with dogs?

I looked through the 2014 summary (it's listed with the open seasons), and couldn't find any that allow it. That said, it a bit of a convoluted mess looking back and forth between the WMU maps and Season pages. Or better yet, which WMU do you hunt in?

If dogs are banned there, there, then you've got an easy way to deal with your problem :) Just call the MNR.
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74 a and b.

And if you read back you will notice I mentioned about Coyote dogs as well which is a big problem in73.
 
xeon said:
I've hunted bears with hounds before and it was without question, the most exciting hunt I've been on in my life. I still remember it to this day and bring it up almost every time I tell hunting stories to friends. It's something everyone must try at least once, and make sure to do it while you're young because its a lot of work. However, this was all done in N. Ontario miles away from any private property.


People work their asses off to afford a little piece of hunting property of their own, so they can be left alone. A much greater effort should be made so that is respected.

Dogs can't read signs, that's obvious. We all know dogs don't know property boundaries, and they don't have to. That is your responsibility. Where the dogs go is your responsibility. What the dogs do is your responsibility. You are responsible for everything that dog does, whether or not it listens is still your responsibility. Your dog, your responsibility.

People who own the land in the area you hunt are also the same ones who vote in the local elections. Don't give them a reason to turn against you.
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So well said.
 
Home3 said:
Whaaaaaatt??:confused:

My first hunt property was 50% of only 10 acres and a cabin (barely) and it took some lifestyle sacrifice to make it happen! Petro Dollars have certainly gotten into some people's minds, hasn't it? :rolleyes:
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You got me laughing with the above comment! Not in a bad way either. Thanks!

Believe me it takes a lifestyle change to buy property to hunt on in oil country too!!! Good luck getting a 1/4 section(160acres or 1/2x1/2 mile) for less than a half million in many areas now!!!
 
xeon said:
I've hunted bears with hounds before and it was without question, the most exciting hunt I've been on in my life. I still remember it to this day and bring it up almost every time I tell hunting stories to friends. It's something everyone must try at least once, and make sure to do it while you're young because its a lot of work. However, this was all done in N. Ontario miles away from any private property.


People work their asses off to afford a little piece of hunting property of their own, so they can be left alone. A much greater effort should be made so that is respected.

Dogs can't read signs, that's obvious. We all know dogs don't know property boundaries, and they don't have to. That is your responsibility. Where the dogs go is your responsibility. What the dogs do is your responsibility. You are responsible for everything that dog does, whether or not it listens is still your responsibility. Your dog, your responsibility.

People who own the land in the area you hunt are also the same ones who vote in the local elections. Don't give them a reason to turn against you.
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Most reasonable response yet.
 
If the dogs are encroaching on your way of life, or or messing with your livelihood, they become "nuisance animals". And that opens them up to the Fish and wildlife act. A home owner can "kill, capture or harass" the animals that are damaging property or have the potential to do so.
For example, I had a call to dispatch some coyotes that were running livestock. While there I figured out it wasn't coyotes, but a young set of german Shepard that were running cattle through fences on to CN tracks. I called the township and the MNR, they both said the dogs could be dispatched.
I found the dogs owners, told him if he did not contain his dogs the next time he seen me I would be dropping his dogs off in a plastic bag.
Didnt have it in me. I ended up buying him chains and collars to contain his dogs. Never heard more about it.
Cats and dogs that run at large are a pet peeve of mine. I love dogs, I really do. But if they do damage due to owner negligence, then so be it.
 
Waterfowler said:
74 a and b.

And if you read back you will notice I mentioned about Coyote dogs as well which is a big problem in73.
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Well there you go! There's no dogs allowed in 74a, at least. If you see someone using dogs, they're poaching. Call in the MNR and get the criminals out of the way for the rest of the legal hunters.

And as for the Coydogs, eradicate them.
 
kodiakjack said:
Well there you go! There's no dogs allowed in 74a, at least. If you see someone using dogs, they're poaching. Call in the MNR and get the criminals out of the way for the rest of the legal hunters.

And as for the Coydogs, eradicate them.
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You can still hunt small game with dogs in that area, and any dog that is allowed to follow its nose and do it's thing has the potential to wander way off course.

It's definitely not the dogs fault it wandered onto private property, so who's fault is it? The person bow hunting on private property who has one day a week off their 48hr+ work week who travels a 3hr round trip to get setup, between the night shift and Saturday morning chooses to go hunting so only has 4hrs of sleep, invested hundreds of dollars into equipment and gas this season, countless hours preparing and practicing with equipment, even more hours planning and scouting and hunting, countless more hours working on the wife to be allowed to go hunting just for the morning on their only day off, only to have a dog run through the creek and go swimming in front of his stand? Oh wait that's my story from 3 weeks ago.

That 15-20 seconds the dog was running through that area completely ruined what I was looking forward to all week, all year even. Did I see that little buck that was coming in everyday at 10-11am that I was going to shoot? Uh, no. The wandering hound technique/strategy didn't work out for me that day.

I did get that deer 2 weeks and a hundred bucks for gas and 20hrs+ of hunting and driving later when nothing wandered onto my property. Who's repaying me for that inconvenience?
 
That sucks. :-(

Was it a hunting beagle? Someone hunting with dogs? Or just some careless person's pet off leash?

Sucks either way, but I'm glad you still managed to get your deer! :)
 
kodiakjack said:
Well there you go! There's no dogs allowed in 74a, at least. If you see someone using dogs, they're poaching. Call in the MNR and get the criminals out of the way for the rest of the legal hunters.

And as for the Coydogs, eradicate them.
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I don't mean coy dogs...i mean hounds guys run for coyotes...

And actually, you can use dogs in 74a. Look a little closer.......

And there you go!!!!
 
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Yep. I was looking at the muzzle loader/bow season in December. My bad.

Guess you're SOL.

Do you know who's running the hounds? There's no dogs allowed for your three bows only seasons, so it would likely only be the coyote hunters you need to worry about. Unlike your deer seasons, their coyote season is open all year, so they would hopefully be pretty flexible. If you can talk to them, perhaps they would be amicable to working out an arrangement that'll have them hunting when you're not. Or, at the very least, perhaps they'll take greater care in minding where there dogs wander to...
 
During to open season for two weeks of deer hunting to run a dog you must purchase a licence from the Province of Ontario. The licence includes a description of the dog including the age and breed. The MNR check for these licences. It is the ONLY TIME of year when licenced that your dog may run at large while chasing deer. Not sure where you got your information but I would very much doubt that you would buy a licence to allow your dog to run at large and receive a trespass ticket.
 
9.3 said:
During to open season for two weeks of deer hunting to run a dog you must purchase a licence from the Province of Ontario. The licence includes a description of the dog including the age and breed. The MNR check for these licences. It is the ONLY TIME of year when licenced that your dog may run at large while chasing deer. Not sure where you got your information but I would very much doubt that you would buy a licence to allow your dog to run at large and receive a trespass ticket.
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I find it odd, hard to believe, actually, that the government could or would issue a license permitting a dog to trespass.

If I found a strange dog running on my farm, I'd try to a) chase it off or b) capture it and take it to the humane society.

No one has a "right" to run their dogs on my land.

If it were chasing our horses ......... It would end very differently.
 
we always turn are hounds looses on land we have permission for .thy do not chase livestock and are very prey driven .yes sometimes thy will get away from us and on to private land we do are best to go the land owner and explain what is going on and ask for permission to retrieve the hounds if thy stay on the private land .most times we are granted the okay to go in and get them .we and most other hounds men that run deer and yotes have hunted the same areas for many years and are very welcome .some times stuff does happen .I had a hound hit by a car last year worst feeling in the world .running dogs has been a tradition in are family for over 80 years on my wife side as well as my side .first it was fox and deer now more yotes and bunnys we still run them for deer as well .it is a great hunt and every hunter should try it at least once .Dutch
 
^ what Dutch said, it's definitely a great experience


9.3 said:
During to open season for two weeks of deer hunting to run a dog you must purchase a licence from the Province of Ontario. The licence includes a description of the dog including the age and breed. The MNR check for these licences. It is the ONLY TIME of year when licenced that your dog may run at large while chasing deer. Not sure where you got your information but I would very much doubt that you would buy a licence to allow your dog to run at large and receive a trespass ticket.
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Yet my brother is an owner of a $55 trespassing ticket, for his dog wondering about
 
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Could be the cultural gap...or regional, but does running deer with dogs not seem like a bit of a hold over from the previous century? Kind of a cultural anomaly?
Strangely 'coons or coyotes I can get my head around. Dad and my Uncle used to have Greyhounds for running coyotes to ground; for the pelts obviously.But deer?
A deer that has been run by dogs would be the last thing that I'd want to eat.
Not judging, just commenting.
 
Until you have done it you wouldn't understand.
I do both stand hunting and with dogs, and prefer dog hunting. Far more exciting (the reason we do it). Stand hunting isn't really hunting, more like waiting for a victim.
 
Deer run with dogs taste no different than any other deer. Deer are used to predators, a visit to my deer camp this year would enlighten a lot of you. Wolves/coyotes running deer by night, and sometimes by day. Deer trails with big wolf tracks on them too. They run all the time, and are experts at avoiding, or losing dogs, no matter how good the dog is.

Most instances, they will charge ahead at full speed, then slow to a bounding loping run to conserve energy, or even a walk in the case of beagles. Big bucks will circle in the bush, run over their own tracks, follow other deer, and sit and watch their back trails. They will also swim a lake with amazing speed.

Yes, I hunted with dogs for many many years, I don't now, as I hunt by myself, except for the aforementioned wolves. I thought they might bring me a deer this year, close, but didn't happen.
 
tokguy said:
Could be the cultural gap...or regional, but does running deer with dogs not seem like a bit of a hold over from the previous century? Kind of a cultural anomaly?
Strangely 'coons or coyotes I can get my head around. Dad and my Uncle used to have Greyhounds for running coyotes to ground; for the pelts obviously.But deer?
A deer that has been run by dogs would be the last thing that I'd want to eat.
Not judging, just commenting.
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The dogs are more or less chasing the scent, making an occasional bark when the scent is "hot". The dogs are not chasing the animal by sight as many would think.

The dogs are usually a little or long ways behind the animal.......depending on the dog, amount of scent on the ground, the speed the animal is moving......in many cases the animal will move and sit, until the dogs flush it from cover again by them barking.

So it is more of an expression for a dog to "chase a deer", the hound "chases" the scent.

The animal being hunted is more or less being kept on the move, it is not an all out "run" for dog and deer.

To say people shouldn't hunt with dogs is much like saying people shouldn't hunt with semi-autos.
 
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