The Modern Hunter Rifle UPDATED December 10 2015

Nyksta said:
Hmmm. $2725 for the cheapest 308 XCR, and $2995 for the lighter version with keymods is not half the price of $3100 starting building price of the Modern Hunter... i would say that's 87% to 96% of the price. If you choose to take advantage of ATRS's ability to provide various barrel and furniture options and pay more for those, then that is on you. Pay the additiional costs for an XCR to get a CFW barrel and upgrades to its furniture and then compare apples to apples and carrots to carrots and whatever else you cook with.

A $400 norinco 305 shoots 3-5 moa... a $2800 xcr shoots 1.5-2.5 moa... $3100 modern hunter appears to shoot sub moa...
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Where did you see those groups,so far there have only been a couple photos of groups. One set of photos were shot at 50 yards and didn't even look close to 1 moa the other was a 4 shot group with a flyer and 3 at about 1 moa. If this gun turns out as accurate and reliable as stated , then yes , it would probably be a better value than the M , but until it's all proven , it's only a dream.
 
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I see no where on this post that it says it was done at 50m, most range reports are assumed to be done at 100yards. So where did you get the information that it was done at 50m? And the one shot off you are mentioning was stated to have been to adjust the scope. If those squares are 1 inch wide, then that group is far under 1 moa, center to center.

alberta tactical rifle said:
Best group of the day. The shot that is away from the cluster was a sighter to get the scope closer to being on target, so it shows promise. This was the 175gr GMM ammo.


Shot by this guy. Nope not me I am much fatter:redface:



Close up photo of test gun as we shot it. PRS stock PRI handguard 22" Lilja heavy contour barrel. And ofcourse a 5.5x22x56 NXS:cool:

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Nyksta said:
I see no where on this post that it says it was done at 50m, most range reports are assumed to be done at 100yards. So where did you get the information that it was done at 50m? And the one shot off you are mentioning was stated to have been to adjust the scope. If those squares are 1 inch wide, then that group is far under 1 moa, center to center.
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there was another thread here started by Shaun , there were some groups on there,I thought it was a couple different shooters,shooting at 50 yrds. Anyway ,my comments were directed at the owner, He not only dissed the XCR owners but also fellow business members who sell the XCR.he should just stick to talking about what he sells and not what others sell. When I do quotes for renovations ,I never put down another contractors work when given the opportunity, I find it kinda low to do so.
 
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Nyksta said:
Hmmm. $2725 for the cheapest 308 XCR, and $2995 for the lighter version with keymods is not half the price of $3100 starting building price of the Modern Hunter... i would say that's 87% to 96% of the price.

If you choose to take advantage of ATRS's ability to provide various barrel and furniture options and pay more for those, then that is on you. Pay the additional costs for an XCR to get a CFW barrel and upgrades to its furniture and then compare apples to apples and carrots to carrots and whatever else you cook with.... but then again, most upgrades aren't compatible with XCR. never mind.

A $450 norinco m305 shoots 3-5 moa... a $2800 xcr shoots 1.5-2.5 moa... $3100 modern hunter appears to shoot sub moa... and its made right here in Canada.
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And that's why it's nice to but a production rifle available through other dealers so you can shop around. I paid under $2600 for my XCR-M. I priced out a decently done up Modern Hunter and mine came out close to $4500. So while not quite half it's close enough. All I'm saying is compare it class to class. I look forward to seeing accuracy reports from serveral consumers of their production rifles not the prototype rifles. If it's AR10 National Match kinda accuracy then awesome.

I want to really see 300+ yard groupings from a couple production rifles.
 
Brianma65 said:
there was another thread here started by Shaun , there were some groups on there,I thought it was a couple different shooters,shooting at 50 yrds. Anyway ,my comments were directed at the owner, He not only dissed the XCR owners but also fellow business members who sell the XCR.he should just stick to talking about what he sells and not what others sell. When I do quotes for renovations ,I never put down another contractors work when given the opportunity, I find it kinda low to do so.
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I shot her at 50 but I only took 5 shots. I'm very confident in the performance of this rifle!
 
alberta tactical rifle said:
1.5 to 2.0 MOA is NOT what we would consider accurate at all. Sorry if I offended any XCR owners but really, is 1.5 MOA considered decent accuracy?
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I would not consider 1.5 MOA as decent accuracy... To me, anything above 1 MOA with quality factory ammo is not suitable for precision shooting; I wouldn't spend any minute to develop loads for it...

It is good for plinking, having some fun, etc...
 
mildcustom2 said:
And that's why it's nice to but a production rifle available through other dealers so you can shop around. I paid under $2600 for my XCR-M. I priced out a decently done up Modern Hunter and mine came out close to $4500. So while not quite half it's close enough.
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Close enough? You chose $1500 in extras, and cearly one of them was a carbon fibre barrel. What exactly did you add that comes stock on the XCR but not this right rifle?
 
Enough of the XCR love in the thread already... He responded to someone hoping that their disappointment with XCR would not be found with this gun. He said that XCR set a low bar and in comparison, the MH will do better. He didnt diss anyone or any company. Your entire argument is based on misquotes and false information. Quit complaining.


Brianma65 said:
my comments were directed at the owner, He not only dissed the XCR owners but also fellow business members who sell the XCR.he should just stick to talking about what he sells and not what others sell. When I do quotes for renovations ,I never put down another contractors work when given the opportunity, I find it kinda low to do so.
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Originally Posted by Canadiankeeper View Post
Hopefully its a better shooter then the XCR-L I got and quickly sold...

alberta tactical rifle said:
I can assure you that that the extremely low bar set by the XCR's has been grossly exceeded.
These ARE accurate and are as reliable as an AR.
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I didn't mean to get every body upset, I was only responding to a business owner about a statement he made, that rubbed me the wrong way. If he's mad at me he can say so, I'll still buy his gun. I apologize to ATRS , for the mean words . Good luck with your project.... Brian
 
Not sure how I missed this thread, but I am certainly going to get my order in when I head to Alberta to pick up my at15 in December.
Wish I never missed the custom serial number though... :(
 
Brianma65 said:
I didn't mean to get every body upset, I was only responding to a business owner about a statement he made, that rubbed me the wrong way. If he's mad at me he can say so, I'll still buy his gun. I apologize to ATRS , for the mean words . Good luck with your project.... Brian
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Brian
Everyone has an opinion and it is their right to express them. I have FAR thicker skin than to be mad at someone who takes issue with a comment.

Having been asked a countless number of times over the last several years to help guys who purchased XCR rifles solve the plethora of problems that they are well known for was a LARGE part of why we decided to invest the time and money to develop the Modern Hunter rifle. And then to thoroughly test it to ensure that this sort of thing did not happen with 1 of our products. Read through the forums, there really is not a ton of love for the XCRs or Alex Robinson.

Personally I think anything over 1 MOA is very inaccurate given what we have to work with today. 200 years ago 1 MOA was stellar, however times have changed. The AR platforms are well proven to be more reliable and more accurate than many semi auto platforms like the AK, M1A and such.
I applaud Alex Robinson for his design efforts, and from what we are hearing from guys who own the most recent version of his rifles they are better than the earlier versions that were truly crap, there really is no other way to describe them from a reliability and accuracy point of view.

Accuracy is the culmination of many parts of an equation. The shooter is certainly the biggest factor, but the gun and the ammo also play a large part. When any rifle when shot by a person with great skill level can only get 1.5 MOA from a modern rifle, this can only relate to much greater group size when used by a less skilled operator, less than ideal ammo and it is further degraded with field conditions.

Personally I do not think it matters what the rifle is to be used for, if the best it can do is 1.5 to 2.0 MOA why bother making it? That is what shotguns are for.
1 of my personal pet peeves is guys who figure 1.5 to 2.0 MOA accuracy AT THE RANGE UNDER IDEAL CONDITIONS is "good enough" for hunting. Do people actually place that little value on another creatures life that they would employ a rifle that under field conditions is most likely going to produce 4 to 5 MOA accuracy for hunting? Shooting conditions and the shooters conditions will certainly not increase the potential accuracy of any rifle. So starting with a rifle that under range conditions is capable of 1/2 MOA has a better chance of being 1.0 to 1.5 MOA accurate in field conditions.

As we get more rifles built over the next month or so we will be stretching it to longer distances. A lot of the shooting has been done at 50 yards simply to get the round count as high as possible to see IF there are any issues with reliability.
Several groups have been shot and posted at just over 100 yards and we ARE seeing between .5 and .75 MOA groups under range conditions with decent ammo.
Theoretically if a rifle can shoot sub MOA at 100 yards it will produce similar results at longer distances, but we will be testing these as we go. AND posting the results, not just from within ATRS but we will be putting rifles out to several experienced and very credible shooters with no connection to ATRS for testing as well.
 
Great post!

I would only add, part of the reason for the 50 yard shooting is simply because it's cold outside! That's the max distance at the indoor range.

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As you get more testing done, I for one would love to see how tight you can get the accuracy with handloads, to provide a comparison against factory match ammo.

Spring can't come fast enough!
 
alberta tactical rifle said:
Brian
Everyone has an opinion and it is their right to express them. I have FAR thicker skin than to be mad at someone who takes issue with a comment.

Having been asked a countless number of times over the last several years to help guys who purchased XCR rifles solve the plethora of problems that they are well known for was a LARGE part of why we decided to invest the time and money to develop the Modern Hunter rifle. And then to thoroughly test it to ensure that this sort of thing did not happen with 1 of our products. Read through the forums, there really is not a ton of love for the XCRs or Alex Robinson.

Personally I think anything over 1 MOA is very inaccurate given what we have to work with today. 200 years ago 1 MOA was stellar, however times have changed. The AR platforms are well proven to be more reliable and more accurate than many semi auto platforms like the AK, M1A and such.
I applaud Alex Robinson for his design efforts, and from what we are hearing from guys who own the most recent version of his rifles they are better than the earlier versions that were truly crap, there really is no other way to describe them from a reliability and accuracy point of view.

Accuracy is the culmination of many parts of an equation. The shooter is certainly the biggest factor, but the gun and the ammo also play a large part. When any rifle when shot by a person with great skill level can only get 1.5 MOA from a modern rifle, this can only relate to much greater group size when used by a less skilled operator, less than ideal ammo and it is further degraded with field conditions.

Personally I do not think it matters what the rifle is to be used for, if the best it can do is 1.5 to 2.0 MOA why bother making it? That is what shotguns are for.
1 of my personal pet peeves is guys who figure 1.5 to 2.0 MOA accuracy AT THE RANGE UNDER IDEAL CONDITIONS is "good enough" for hunting. Do people actually place that little value on another creatures life that they would employ a rifle that under field conditions is most likely going to produce 4 to 5 MOA accuracy for hunting? Shooting conditions and the shooters conditions will certainly not increase the potential accuracy of any rifle. So starting with a rifle that under range conditions is capable of 1/2 MOA has a better chance of being 1.0 to 1.5 MOA accurate in field conditions.

As we get more rifles built over the next month or so we will be stretching it to longer distances. A lot of the shooting has been done at 50 yards simply to get the round count as high as possible to see IF there are any issues with reliability.
Several groups have been shot and posted at just over 100 yards and we ARE seeing between .5 and .75 MOA groups under range conditions with decent ammo.
Theoretically if a rifle can shoot sub MOA at 100 yards it will produce similar results at longer distances, but we will be testing these as we go. AND posting the results, not just from within ATRS but we will be putting rifles out to several experienced and very credible shooters with no connection to ATRS for testing as well.
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Thanks for the reply, very much apprieated and informative. I shot a new XCR-l this morning and got 1 and a little under using superformance ,only tryed 3 5 rnd groups. The other 5 types of ammo was doing 2 and under. If I can keep it at 1 moa I'm happy. This is only a fun gun for me. ( it was cold it:)). I was using a 2x7x33 scope. Enough abot that. The only hunting I do is, for moose. So I'm really looking forward to your rifle, if it does as well as you think it will, I'll be buying one for sure. It is one of the most awesome rifles I've seen yet.! Best of luck... Brian
 
Stevebot-7 said:
As you get more testing done, I for one would love to see how tight you can get the accuracy with handloads, to provide a comparison against factory match ammo.

Spring can't come fast enough!
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We will be doing some work with handloads soon, just to see what we can get for accuracy out of the rifles we are testing. I can not see how it could do anything but improve.
Stay tuned.
 
Nyksta said:
Ive never purchased the expensive match ammo. is hand loaded ammo able to still get much tighter than the good match ammo? i always figured it was just cost effective compared to buying the expensive stuff.
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Generally you're right. For many it is a cost savings only, but advanced handloaders have the time, tools and expertise to "tailor" the ammo to a particular rifle giving excellent results.

My "problem" with ammo tinkering/tailoring is that it can take a lot of time and resources to do. If your time is worth something, it might be better to go factory.
I always used to joke that by the time one finds the right load, you've shot yer barrel out--and then you have start over again :) lol
 
Got a couple more photos. The materials have arrived and we are now pumping out upper receivers. The whole project is starting to come together, and all the pieces are falling into place!



 
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