Name me one organization that is larger in this country? Or one other pro-firearm organization in the history of Canada that has been an intervener in an SCoC case on the question of firearms?
You might find it surprising, but the statement is true.
SUPREME COURT OF CANADA RULES THAT AIR GUNS ARE "FIREARMS" Date: Thursday, Novembe
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Name me one organization that is larger in this country? Or one other pro-firearm organization in the history of Canada that has been an intervener in an SCoC case on the question of firearms?
You might find it surprising, but the statement is true.
I was once an AIRGUN ENTHUSIAST and probably never would have heard about this topic.. How is Joe Blow who loves shooting tin cans in his backyard supposed to know that his daisy pellet gun is now considered a "FIREARM"?
This is stupid... it doesn't surprise me, but it's ridiculous....
This is stupid... it doesn't surprise me, but it's ridiculous....
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Breaking news! SCC to rule on maximum length and width of novelty clown shoes!
Nope, they just clarified and interpreted. Given that there is no higher court (I believe there may be an appeal to the Queen that exists on the books, but...), it's now up to government.
"Secondly, the offence of “carrying a concealed weapon” now applies to air guns, regardless of whether or not the air gun owner acts in an otherwise lawful manner. Placing an air gun in a backpack, a pocket or other concealed place will now be a criminal offense."
This is confusing to me...
What if the difference before carrying/transporting in a NORMAL/convenient/easy/practical way...and concealing?
If I am walking/riding a bike or even taking public transport I would carry something in my backpack IF it would fit...carrying it openly may not be "illegal" but WILL cause issues and a scene and/or get you in trouble.
So do you HAVE to carry it in a gun case? What if they gun case is not shaped like a "gun case"...concealed? (Carrying a gun case can also cause a scene...its is kinda know what you are carrying, even to non gun people).
What if you are carrying IN your backpack BUT it is properly "stored", as in trigger locked?
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So we need to transport something....a common and convent backpack is illegal...open carry is not gonna work...WTF are we supposed to do? Teleport it there? Get a police escort to carry transport it and carry it for us? What is next...central storage? WTF...
PS. If I am out in the woods hiking/camping where hunting is/I am legal to be hunting small game...it will be illegal for my gun to be in my pack?!
This is confusing to me...
What if the difference before carrying/transporting in a NORMAL/convenient/easy/practical way...and concealing?
If I am walking/riding a bike or even taking public transport I would carry something in my backpack IF it would fit...carrying it openly may not be "illegal" but WILL cause issues and a scene and/or get you in trouble.
So do you HAVE to carry it in a gun case? What if they gun case is not shaped like a "gun case"...concealed? (Carrying a gun case can also cause a scene...its is kinda know what you are carrying, even to non gun people).
What if you are carrying IN your backpack BUT it is properly "stored", as in trigger locked?
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So we need to transport something....a common and convent backpack is illegal...open carry is not gonna work...WTF are we supposed to do? Teleport it there? Get a police escort to carry transport it and carry it for us? What is next...central storage? WTF...
PS. If I am out in the woods hiking/camping where hunting is/I am legal to be hunting small game...it will be illegal for my gun to be in my pack?!
If CO's start checking that, you could see quite a few guys unknowingly become criminals. Don't know if it's still done, but a lot of guys used to carry pellet pistiols for birds when out moose and deer hunting. In the cold, you have to keep CO2 guns in your coat or they lose a lot of power. I guess maybe it would have been criminal back then, too, but I had never heard of anyone being charged for that. Wonder how long it will take for that to change? Pretty sure the first charges, when they come, will come from a cop and not a CO, though, unless the CO has an axe to grind.
HAHAHAHA what a Country we live in when the supreme court makes rulings on pellet guns and makes a bunch of snares to catch law abiding citizens doing no harm to the public! Expect to have your 6 yr olds pepper sprayed, slammed to the pavement, handcuffed and sent to juvi! The people who made these rulings should be fired, banned from ever working for the Government and charged with whatever could stick. Think of how many haneous crimes were set aside to wait while they sat around burning tax dollars to regulate pellet guns. Disgusting.
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"The gun registry is useless and has no effect on public safety but pellet guns are firearms". Hmm...
If there is no explosion. It should not be deemed a firearm.
If there is no explosion. It should not be deemed a firearm.
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Here here, pretty much sums up everything wrong with our current bloated Socialist bureaucracy in this country in one ruling.
What-a-f**king-joke........
A$$holes,nothing but stinky #######s !Just how hard can one shake ones head ,without the contents spilling out......Krackpotism at it`s best.
Seems like that UN BS, but on a smaller scale ,where does it start ,and where does it end .
PT
Seems like that UN BS, but on a smaller scale ,where does it start ,and where does it end .
PT
It seems to me that there is much hysteria over nothing. The SCC didn't really change anything. They simply clarified the law as it is written. Section 2 of the Criminal Code defines a firearm as a barrelled weapon that can discharge a projectile capable of causing death or serious bodily injury to a person. Weapon is defined as something that is used or is designed to be used as a weapon. Under 500 fps airguns are still exempt from the regulatory provisions of the Criminal Code including licensing, registration and the safe storage regulations because they are exempted from those rules because Section 84(3) of the Criminal Code specifically exempts them.
The SCC changed nothing. So before this ruling if someone used an airgun (under 500 fps) to shoot and injure someone or used one in say a robbery then they have committed an offence with a firearm. For the rest of us, they are not considered firearms for the purposes which they are lawfully used. That was the law before this ruling, and it is the law now. The SCC simply clarified the law. Post #17 is exactly right.
I don't personaly agree with some SCC rulings, but this one is far from aggreiving.
The SCC changed nothing. So before this ruling if someone used an airgun (under 500 fps) to shoot and injure someone or used one in say a robbery then they have committed an offence with a firearm. For the rest of us, they are not considered firearms for the purposes which they are lawfully used. That was the law before this ruling, and it is the law now. The SCC simply clarified the law. Post #17 is exactly right.
I don't personaly agree with some SCC rulings, but this one is far from aggreiving.
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Ummmmm?......CSSA/CILA !! There is a fellow by the name of Tony Bernado .....a bit of an activist !!.....maybe you have heard of this ???
It is useless to talk about how airguns should not be classed as firearms, the fact is that they are when over 495fps or 500fps depending on where you read. Shouldn't be, but it is a done deal. They have now used just one case, after so many cases occuring before (many in decades btw) to toss in a new class of "medium power" airguns; this only after the Ottawa event.
On one hand the government calls one of their own with a gun a hero, yet seek out to make all others with guns as criminals by paper.
This is just another nail in the coffin on our rights, just another road to the UK.
PS: with this "medium power" ruling, are air pistols in the medium range going to be concidered a restricted firearm?
On one hand the government calls one of their own with a gun a hero, yet seek out to make all others with guns as criminals by paper.
This is just another nail in the coffin on our rights, just another road to the UK.
PS: with this "medium power" ruling, are air pistols in the medium range going to be concidered a restricted firearm?
Sub 495 is pretty underpowered for squirrels. More likely to maim them than drop them.
