Tavor Vs Type-97

I've owned both and used both for three gun and hunting.
The t97 is more accurate, although the sights are epically terrible. In any kind of deep shadows in the bush, they are unusable.
The t97 is easier to carry as it's thinner and lighter.
The safety is retarded, and impacts the ability to use the rifle in a safe fashion when firing, then moving, and firing again (three gun).
The mag release can be worked around, but it's not optimal.

The tavor is better for optics mounting, the included back up sights are better.
It was a bit tougher to carry due to its girth, although I like the mitten friendly trigger guard.
Things that turned me off were the accuracy and the abortion of a trigger.

I'd choose the tavor of the two.
But honestly, I wouldn't buy either again. There are better rifles out there.
 
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DILLIGAF said:
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BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA that's hilarious.

cr5 said:
Wow!!! 1000 rounds that must be a new record.
Which keltec do you have that fails all the time? If your talking about an SU-16 or a Sub2000 then what do you expect for the price, if you're talking about an RFB then you either have crappy mags or you don't know how to set up the gas system.
You couldn't give me an SU-16 after the couple days I spent playing with one.
Your M-forgery works because it's a clone of a well designed rifle, problem is that just like everything else that comes from Norinco there is no QC and while your's may run fine the next one off the line may be so out of spec it won't even chamber a round.
When you buy Norinco you roll the dice, there is no warranty and no parts support. When these T97's start to break they are garbage and can only be stripped for parts, problem is that when they start breaking it will probably be the same part on all of them so the rest of the rifle will be useless.

Buy them if you want but all the T97 fanboys will be singing a different tune when something breaks and they can't get parts to get it running again.
Let us know how they're working after 5000+ rounds.

I'm no Tavor fanboy either, I've shot a few of them and was not impressed. Well, not impressed enough to buy one anyway.
I do think the Tavor is a much better design and is much better quality but for $2500 it should be.
Unless you feel that you need to have a bullpup I think there are better rifles available to us.
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But the T97 is not a forgery of a great design, it is a knock off of a rubbish rifle.
 
Newbie...just watched the video embedded in a post above...wondering what's the big deal about a 2,500+tax 3-4 MOA rifle? Even a $700 out-of-the-box S&W MP15 does better than that...forget about compatibility with mags, ease of operation and cleaning, and less weight etc.
 
1MOA said:
Newbie...just watched the video embedded in a post above...wondering what's the big deal about a 2,500+tax 3-4 MOA rifle? Even a $700 out-of-the-box S&W MP15 does better than that...forget about compatibility with mags, ease of operation and cleaning, and less weight etc.
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The tavor is non restricted and the S&W M&15 is restricted. That is the BIG difference for many people.
 
1MOA said:
Newbie...just watched the video embedded in a post above...wondering what's the big deal about a 2,500+tax 3-4 MOA rifle? Even a $700 out-of-the-box S&W MP15 does better than that...forget about compatibility with mags, ease of operation and cleaning, and less weight etc.
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NR, welcome to Canada.
Id like to keep my guns when they decide to take them all away from us.
 
r34skyline said:
But the T97 is not a forgery of a great design, it is a knock off of a rubbish rifle.
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That's my point, there are no sources for parts, at least with a forgery like the their M4 or M305 you can buy quality parts and with a little fitting they can be made to work. The T97 will be a paperweight if something breaks unless you are a machinist and can make your own parts. Paying someone to make parts for it will cost as much as buying a new rifle as evidenced by the price of the FTU, those would cost $100 or less if they were being machined by a large scale shop in quantity but there isn't enough demand to justify anyone investing the resources to do that.
It isn't a knockoff, it's a variant of the T95 which is in service with the Chinese military, no problem for them as they have parts support or just grab a new one off the rack when needed.
NS should have also worked out a deal for parts support when they agree'd to import them, it's just another example of their level of customer service, once they sell it they wash their hands of it and you're on your own.



mikethebike said:
NR, welcome to Canada.
Id like to keep my guns when they decide to take them all away from us.
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Problem with that logic is that if they do decide to take our firearms then keeping the NR ones hidden away makes you a criminal and if you ever get caught using one you're going to be facing some serious penalties.
I'm sure we'll all be doing the same thing but I don't like the idea of not being able to use my guns without the fear of incarceration.
 
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The tavor is non restricted and the S&W M&15 is restricted. That is the BIG difference for many people.
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So, it's for Law and Order breakdown/apocalypse/SHTF/Zombie scenario etc.? Am not judging but from strictly money point of view, you can buy an MP 15 and 2/3 Winchester shotguns with ammo and bury them in different places and you will be much better off than a 2,500 NR rifle in 223.
 
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So, it's for Law and Order breakdown/apocalypse/SHTF/Zombie scenario etc.? Am not judging but from strictly money point of view, you can buy an MP 15 and 2/3 Winchester shotguns with ammo and bury them in different places and you will be much better off than a 2,500 NR rifle in 223.
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Please wake me up when this apocalypse/SHTF/Zombie attack comes.

NR status not not for the above scenario.
Being able to shoot the tavor on crown land is one big plus and another big plus is that big brother does not know you have the tavor (it is not registered with the government).
Strictly from a money point of view, a $4000 Ar15 would still be restricted and you can only shoot it at a CFO approved range.
 
I own a Type 97 despite my troll post of saying they're both ugly and ###, Go SKS! :dancingbanana: I was trying to piss off both sides. Anyways, I really like my Type 97. The rifle is higher quality build than what you would expect from a Chinese made rifle.

I have never fired a Tavor. I have seen one in store and held it. Its a nice gun. I like the placement of the mag release and bolt forward assist. However, Any gun that costs more than $1500 is out of my price range. Not because I can't afford. Its because I have other hobbies that cost lots of money too. Not to mention you can buy a whole crate of Mosins or SKS for that price. I personally would rather have 20 Mosin Nagants or 15 SKS over 1 Tavor.
 
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cr5 said:
NS should have also worked out a deal for parts support when they agree'd to import them, it's just another example of their level of customer service, once they sell it they wash their hands of it and you're on your own.
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When have you seen spare norinco parts? It's not worth it for them to make spare parts, they just make it, and ship the whole rifle. Norinco doesn't care, they get their money they are happy. Let's be honest who would buy norinco spare parts for m4 or m305 once it breaks a bolt or something? Especially when you can pick up dpms bolts or some other low rent bolt for next to nothing.

Even good bolts like daniel defense is not that much.

That logistical problem never existed till the propietary t97 came along. And norinco doesn't care enough to make extra parts. They have plenty of customers already. And most people who shoot a lot won't buy junk like that anyways, because they realize ammo costs will outweigh rifle costs very quickly. So combine someone that is cheap with someone who doesn't shoot a lot, and you have a winning combo for the t97. owner is happy, norinco is happy, north sylva is happy, whatever retailer is happy. everyone wins.
 
As long as the distributor has parts to fix the rifle when it is broken it is all good. This part hoarding crap is all started by AR people / home builders, because they have parts of questionable quality to start with. It is really a waste of money to stock more parts than the army weapon tech when you only have 1 rifle. I never stock parts for my swiss arms ( when I had them),tavor and hk. How many typical drivers keep parts like brake disc, timing belt...etc , in the garage? You buy them when you need them.

Yeh, it is fun to have parts on hand if you constantly build and rehaul rifles as a hobby, but it is a waste of money for systems that come the way they are. Your typical non AR modern military rifles are designed to do 10,000 to 20,000+ rounds before needing maintenance for small parts like little springs here and there. My last part change for an AR lower is 20,000 rounds and a bushmaster. I really do not understand why people are so hung up with this part thing.
 
greentips said:
As long as the distributor has parts to fix the rifle when it is broken it is all good. This part hoarding crap is all started by AR people / home builders, because they have parts of questionable quality to start with. It is really a waste of money to stock more parts than the army weapon tech when you only have 1 rifle. I never stock parts for my swiss arms ( when I had them),tavor and hk. How many typical drivers keep parts like brake disc, timing belt...etc , in the garage? You buy them when you need them.

Yeh, it is fun to have parts on hand if you constantly build and rehaul rifles as a hobby, but it is a waste of money for systems that come the way they are. Your typical non AR modern military rifles are designed to do 10,000 to 20,000+ rounds before needing maintenance for small parts like little springs here and there. My last part change for an AR lower is 20,000 rounds and a bushmaster. I really do not understand why people are so hung up with this part thing.
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Because norcs break things much faster than tavors hk and swiss arms, and comes with no warranty. And unlike the car I can't get parts for my hk at the latest in a couple of weeks. it might be months and for me, that doesn't fly well with me. I like my gear running... always.

I will stop "hoarding" parts when I can walk into a local gun store and say I need a trigger return spring the same way I can walk into napa and say I need a new timing belt, and walk back out with said part, or at worst case scenario it is a one week wait.
 
Buzzy said:
You think they will have advance warning? that would be a LOT of footwork in a very short period of time
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You don't know that, it could be a real step in a gradual progression. Confiscations have happened on weak grounds before.
 
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