CapN'Ball Revolver Repair Queries/When is an antique not an antique?

....What's the word on shooting with the repros? Can anyone share advice/experiences regarding them?
What sort of range do you shoot at? What are the stipulations regarding black powder revolvers at your range?
How do your shooting sessions go? Do you have the facilities to reload at the range? Etc. etc.

I've got a pair each of Uberti 1858 Remington clones and 1860 Colt clones along with an 1851 clone. The 1860's and 1851 being made at different times and with different North American distributor names. One is Euroarms and another is Navy Arms and one is under the Uberti name. But they all came from the Uberti factory.

They all load and shoot to a better accuracy than what I can hold. In other words however well you can shoot with a modern cartridge semi auto or revolver you will be able to match with any of the Italian clones of the C&B guns. I will add that for some reason ALL of the Colt open top revolvers come with overly short front sights. I've replaced all of mine so I can use them at more or less normal hand gun distances of up to around 25 yards. The Remingtons are much better in this regard. I also treat the vague notch in the hammer on the Colt open top guns as a starting point for opening up a nicer "U" shaped notch so the old eyes have something that I can actually see and use for aiming. This all applies to genuine antiques as well. The difference here being that no one will wring their hands and wail to the heavens over my modifications like they would on an authentic antique.

I shoot my C&B guns at the range just like a regular handgun and at cowboy action matches. And that's why I have a pair of each style as I need to shoot 10 shots for the handguns. At the matches I go off to any unused but designated loading area and load the powder and ball. Capping the nipples is done at the regular loading area when it's my turn to load the rest of my guns in prep for shooting the stage.

At a regular range day I lay out the loading supplies on an old heavy towel. I load powder and ram the balls with the muzzle up. For capping in preparation for shooting the gun is pointed downrange in case of an accidental cap firing and a chamber firing off. For this reason my hands are kept well back from the front of the cylinder as well. You do NOT want your support hand wrapped around the gun while capping. I can't stress this enough. Yeah, it's awkward to hold the gun and put enough pressure on the cap to seat it firmly on the nipple while holding the gun that way. But it's a lot better than not having any fingers to hold the gun at all. The odds of an inadvertent cap ignition are very slim of course. Almost to the point of iron clad. But it's still a good rule to live by.

The reason I use a big old bath towel is so I can flip half of it over the loading area. That way any sparks from the gun won't reach any spilled powder that might be on the loading area or reach the caps or powder flask. And sparks there are aplenty with a black powder revolver. Not only out the front of the muzzle but also out to the sides from the cylinder gap. So you want to be sure that when shooting and loading right on the bench at the firing line that your supplies are well covered.

Black powder guns are fine on any outdoor range. But generally due to the smoke and sparks I don't know of any indoor ranges that allow them.

For cowboy events I only load five chambers since I have to lower the hammer on an empty nipple. For range days where I cap and shoot right away I load all six and don't lower the hammer. Instead once capped I raise the gun, finish cocking from the half #### used for loading to full #### and then aim and shoot. This is perfectly safe since once you start capping and until you're finished the last shot the gun is always pointed directly downrange. But for anywhere you might load and cap where you're not pointed downrange and then would need to move even a few feet to the firing line it is a wise idea to always only load 5 then lower the hammer safely onto the empty position. The point is that if you were to trip and the gun then flew through the air and landed hard on the hammer that it could be enough to fire off the cap and discharge a chamber.

Having said this some models do have safety notches where you can lower the hammer onto such a notch between the nipples. But the cowboy shooting rules don't allow this and not all guns have it so it's better to simply load 5 only if you really much cap away from the shooting table.

Since you're new and don't have a PAL yet I can't stress enough that loading and capping then walking around is not something that ANY range allows. I've yet to see a "hot" range where this is possible. All the ranges are operated "cold". Hot referring to a loaded gun ready to shoot and cold to carrying guns in holsters but unloaded. There are some occasional special cases where a shooter will be requested to holster a loaded gun and move from one stage to another. But when this is done the shooter is under the command and control of a range or safety officer. Same with cowboy shooting. Once loaded and holstered the shooter cannot leave the loading area until requested by the safety officer running the stage.

I've gone into this a little more because you don't have your RPAL yet and likely you haven't even been to any handgun ranges to see how they operate. Hopefully this will fill you in a little. And you'll learn more about it all once you take your course and begin visiting some ranges.

In the meantime if you're truly interested in black powder revolvers and not just looking for a way to "cheat a little" and begin shooting sooner I urge you to find and attend one of the local cowboy action matches. Visitors are always enthusiastically welcomed at these meets and there's a good chance that if the weather is nice that you may find at least one person shooting BP with C&B guns. And often as not at lunch or the end of the day if you can stick around that someone will make you put on a rig and load up their guns and run you through one of the stages before they get torn down. Cowboy shooters are much like drug dealers in this way and know how easily folks can get hooked on the whole scene.... :D "Sure buddy, the first time is free!.... :D"
 
....antique handguns and black powder are treated just the same as modern guns at our ranges. We do not allow reloading at the bench and do not have reloading facilities for members to use. ......

cheers mooncoon

Mooncoon, I'm thinking that you're referring to cartridge reloading? Otherwise there's no way for a cap&ball guy to load and shoot.

I only replied with this distinction since Taffer may not understand the difference what with being new and not understanding what you are likely meaning.
 
Mooncoon, I'm thinking that you're referring to cartridge reloading? Otherwise there's no way for a cap&ball guy to load and shoot.

I only replied with this distinction since Taffer may not understand the difference what with being new and not understanding what you are likely meaning.

touche' We load percussion revolvers basically similar to muzzle loading rifles and the only rule is no lighted cigarettes close by. The cartridge rule was intended I think for extreme accuracy nuts who use one shell and reload it repeatedly at the range. I am not even sure why the rule was made because I don't recall seeing anyone doing that at our range, ever.

cheers mooncoon
 
Great responses, and very informative about the workings of a range, BCRider. Thank you both!

When I asked about reload I meant to ask if ranges allowed you to bring your own stand for cylinder reloading or whether there was something already set up at the club for you to use. I do have a general concept of how C&B revolvers themselves work and the process for loading them, it's the nuances and the system that I'm unfamiliar with :)

I'm definitely going to start looking for Cowboy events now - do you have any recommendations as to where I might begin my search?
 
That sort of stand is always going to be the sort of thing you would bring along. Be it a stand for the whole gun or a cylinder only stand that you load up after pulling the cylinder out of the gun.

For clubs you can start at http://osasf.ca/ . There's a club directory link in the toolbar.
 
Just to confirm - if one happened to be lucky enough to find his/herself the owner of an antique colt frame and s/he, possessing an RPAL, purchased a modern reproduction and if by some fluke all the parts fit the frame that gun would be defined under the law an antique?

Thanks for the OSASF link! Doesn't look like much is happening in my region that I'll be able to visit in the near future but I'll keep my eyes on it!
 
In my own example I picked up an antique revolver frame and 85% parts in slightly neglected condition for 750.

Turning it over to a competent gunsmith and forgetting about it for eight months=A really nicely rebuilt/refinished and safe to shoot antique handgun with a bill for service at twice my first cash outlay.

Zero regrets!
 
Just to confirm - if one happened to be lucky enough to find his/herself the owner of an antique colt frame and s/he, possessing an RPAL, purchased a modern reproduction and if by some fluke all the parts fit the frame that gun would be defined under the law an antique?

Thanks for the OSASF link! Doesn't look like much is happening in my region that I'll be able to visit in the near future but I'll keep my eyes on it!

Yes it would
Uberti parts will interchange with a antique colt but they would need to be fitted filed down and reshaped so most likely wouldn't work if returned to original gun.
i use a uberti cylinder to shoot my antique 1851 colt because i believe it's just safer to shoot.
 
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You may, or you may NOT, be issued an antique letter from the RCMP for such a build.

Just to confirm - if one happened to be lucky enough to find his/herself the owner of an antique colt frame and s/he, possessing an RPAL, purchased a modern reproduction and if by some fluke all the parts fit the frame that gun would be defined under the law an antique?

Thanks for the OSASF link! Doesn't look like much is happening in my region that I'll be able to visit in the near future but I'll keep my eyes on it!
 
Yes it would
Uberti parts will interchange with a antique colt but they would need to be fitted filed down and reshaped so most likely wouldn't work if returned to original gun.
i use a uberti cylinder to shoot my antique 1851 colt because i believe it's just safer to shoot.

I used a Uberti barrel on my Colt SAA; the threads match but I had to set the shoulder forward 1 turn to get the sight indexed correctly and obviously fit the cylinder - barrel gap

cheers mooncoon
 
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