Norinco M14 accuracy
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SomebodyTookMyName
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Hmph...
And mine can hold 2-2.5 MOA with the iron sights and 145gr Chinese FMJ's, 140gr MFS SP's, or 150gr Hornady American Whitetail. I guess she's a keeper!
And mine can hold 2-2.5 MOA with the iron sights and 145gr Chinese FMJ's, 140gr MFS SP's, or 150gr Hornady American Whitetail. I guess she's a keeper!
Once you make sure your stock is fitted properly, your headspace is good, & NM sites and/or scope are installed then strap it into a lead sled and dial it in .5 MOA is not asking to much you have to spend some time with it though after that when you pull it out of the lead sled and get 2 to 4 inch groups it's you not the rifle. Regardless of the general thought on here it is what you make of it chrome barrel or not every barrel changes slightly as it heats up also.
Maxinumarmor
National Match sights or scopes don't help a whole big bunch when a rifle is locked down in a sled. That's the point it takes human error out of the equation. The sled can't see therefore sights are of no use to it. Group sizes have little to do with point of aim.
And this is why everyone who posts real results is suspect. Good quality heavy barreled bolt action rifles can deliver 1/2 MOA groups. Semi auto chrome lined military rifles don't. And that's the name of that tune.
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I'll take mine to the range Sunday. Normally I just go to mag dump with my IAI 10-rounder, can't seem to hit the broad side of a barn standing from 100 yrds (went 0-10 at 200 yrds) Not sure how much of this is me. I'll put it on the bench and roll out 3x5 rd groups. I'll get this photobucket thing to work and I'll post the target.
My point was everyone blames the rifle but once the rifle is dialed in and you pull it out of that lead sled or what ever works for you it is the shooter not the rifle. You need to spend more time then others with some rifles but it can be done.
M1As get .5 MOAs, Enfields NO4 MK1s get .5 MOAs etc. and so can any M14 people are doing it all over the world you can surf and read the forums out there.
There is some slight changes as the barrel heats up but I don't believe the hype about any barrel I seen a $150 NO4 rifle stock with the right site out shoot a $3000 top of the line barrel etc. rifle a Canadian ranger proved that one.
There is lots of Polys/Norcs on here also that someone spend some time on NOT MONEY FIT & FINISH IS THE KEY.
M1As get .5 MOAs, Enfields NO4 MK1s get .5 MOAs etc. and so can any M14 people are doing it all over the world you can surf and read the forums out there.
There is some slight changes as the barrel heats up but I don't believe the hype about any barrel I seen a $150 NO4 rifle stock with the right site out shoot a $3000 top of the line barrel etc. rifle a Canadian ranger proved that one.
There is lots of Polys/Norcs on here also that someone spend some time on NOT MONEY FIT & FINISH IS THE KEY.
Did you do that free hand or locked down?
5 shot group,100 yards 9x scope, handloads, Hungry clinic'd 1996 M14s. Normally shoots just under 2 inches.
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I am sure I could find claims like this on forums all over the internet, but I would treat them with the same amount of credibility as I'm treating yours. Which is zero.
A carefully machined and custom built bolt action can be capable of 0.5 MOA. Very little else is.
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My Norinco M-14S was bought NIB about 10 Years ago...I've put thousands of rounds through it with ZERO malfunctions of any kind. Only upgrade I've done to it is a synthetic CADPAT camo stock and a Badger Match guide rod and new Wolf recoil spring. I clean it very well and grease all the proper spots for silky smooth cycling and operation.
It is Very accurate using Federal American Eagle 150 gr. FMJ / Winchester USA 147 gr. FMJ / LC 7.62mm NATO at 100/200 yards. At 100 yards standing up free handed and 200 yards bench rest it usually groups 2 magazines (10 rounds) like medium size dinner plate grouping ...using iron sights, that's very acceptable. For a $499.00 Norinco M-14S .....I'm VERY happy
It is Very accurate using Federal American Eagle 150 gr. FMJ / Winchester USA 147 gr. FMJ / LC 7.62mm NATO at 100/200 yards. At 100 yards standing up free handed and 200 yards bench rest it usually groups 2 magazines (10 rounds) like medium size dinner plate grouping ...using iron sights, that's very acceptable. For a $499.00 Norinco M-14S .....I'm VERY happy
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That's the same performanxce my M1A standard gives. About 4 -5" shooting prone with surplus ammo. I have a Remington 700 XCR that can shoot 0.5". That's with Norma match. Bedded with
a light trigger and Night Force 8-32 X56 off a bipod.
My Norinco M-14S was bought NIB about 10 Years ago...I've put thousands of rounds through it with ZERO malfunctions of any kind. Only upgrade I've done to it is a synthetic CADPAT camo stock and a Badger Match guide rod and new Wolf recoil spring. I clean it very well and grease all the proper spots for silky smooth cycling and operation.
It is Very accurate using Federal American Eagle 150 gr. FMJ / Wi nchester USA 147 gr. FMJ / LC 7.62mm NATO at 100/200 yards. At 100 yards standing up free handed and 200 yards bench rest it usually groups 2 magazines (10 rounds) like medium size dinner plate grouping ...using iron sights, that's very acceptable. For a $499.00 Norinco M-14S .....I'm VERY happy
That's the same performanxce my M1A standard gives. About 4 -5" shooting prone with surplus ammo. I have a Remington 700 XCR that can shoot 0.5". That's with Norma match. Bedded with
a light trigger and Night Force 8-32 X56 off a bipod.
eaglesnester
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change out your oprod spring guide, oprodguide, and piston and go for a Sadlak oprod spring guide oprod guide and piston from Sadlak. reload 168 grain Sierra SMK bullets with 41,5 grains of RE=15 or so and see what happens. Yur groups should drop to 1.5MOA or so. When I went to a Sage ebr stock they went down to .5 to 1.5 moa in a ten shot group at 100 meters, yours should too, hopefully, Also go to a sadlak grooved piston. to handle the heaver gas pressure from the heaver 168 grain bullets
Are you on team Sadlak? I don't think my GI barrel is ever going to deliver 1.5" groups with military surplus. I don't spend much time shooting from the bench. I'm more of a practical shooter. I'll never own a Sage EBR stock. Of course my wife says I'm too negative to begin with.
I have a lot of fun with my m305 shooting steel targets and gongs, but a precision rifle it is not, especially for 400 bucks and a plastic stock. I got what I paid for as a plinker but when I want to shoot precision, I look to a much different rifle and scope.
When I considered getting into "m14's" I didn't expect to shoot ragged holes with them. Never even considered scoping them…just wanted to blast target (like Seafury…practical shooting). Started off with a Norc M305 Shorty ended up with a SA SOCOM16.
IMO these irons are great for shooting @ iron sight distances and the accuracy was only limited by the lump behind the trigger(me). My scoped bolts are great for one-holers but that gets boring quick so they don't come out often. If I hit what I'm aiming at I go home happy….love this pic!
IMO these irons are great for shooting @ iron sight distances and the accuracy was only limited by the lump behind the trigger(me). My scoped bolts are great for one-holers but that gets boring quick so they don't come out often. If I hit what I'm aiming at I go home happy….love this pic!
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Mmmmm.
I dunno about you guys but if my gun only did 4" groups off the bench - battle rifle or not - I would get rid of it or fix it. Precision and economy are mutually exclusive terms, IMHO. To me the Norcs aren't worth the time of day unless one of the wizards have tweaked them first. My M1A Loaded does about 1.25~2.00 MOA with my reloads ... but then again it is darn near at $2000.00 rifle.
Cheap, inaccurate guns are not my cup of tea.
I dunno about you guys but if my gun only did 4" groups off the bench - battle rifle or not - I would get rid of it or fix it. Precision and economy are mutually exclusive terms, IMHO. To me the Norcs aren't worth the time of day unless one of the wizards have tweaked them first. My M1A Loaded does about 1.25~2.00 MOA with my reloads ... but then again it is darn near at $2000.00 rifle.
Cheap, inaccurate guns are not my cup of tea.
Ok, I'm getting confused here, is the rifle capable of decent accuracy or not. I'm in fact looking into the M305 but would like to know, when properly scoped, mechanically running well, on a bi-pod and developed load for a specific rifle, in good shooter's hands, what kind of accuracy can it consistently produce. Is it 1MOA, 1.5,2,3 ??? I can do with my long range 308 Win bolt action fairly consistent 0.7 MOA. And I wouldn't expect the same results with M305 ( I understand the precision difference between M305 and real M14), as it fundamentally would be unrealistic but what can I truly expect ? I'll have to base my purchase on that. If it can achieve 1-1.5 MOA, I'm in, if 2, possibly, if 2.5 MOA, not so sure anymore but still not dismising it altogether. So what can the M305 under the above mentioned criteria produce ?
Firearms are tools. They serve different functions. I won't call my precision rifles boring. Some of the most fun I've had is shooting fullbore out to 800 meters. I don't hunt with an M14, I have bolt action hunting rifles for that. I don't intend to use an M14 for coyotes. I think the SL8 is a better choice. 17 HMR is an awesome gopher caliber if a guy can find land to shoot them on.
When I go to the range with my son we shoot NRA reduced targets with AR15 and M1A rifles. Iron sights/ short range optics no bench. I'm going to pick up a gong so we can have instant gratification. I want him to be an all position practical shooter not a guy who never takes his scoped SKS off the bags.
That picture is awesome.
When I go to the range with my son we shoot NRA reduced targets with AR15 and M1A rifles. Iron sights/ short range optics no bench. I'm going to pick up a gong so we can have instant gratification. I want him to be an all position practical shooter not a guy who never takes his scoped SKS off the bags.
That picture is awesome.
