Proper transport of an AR ... locked case?

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OK, so as of today I am officially the owner of a Sig M400 Enhanced ... new baby is due here in a week or so.

This is my first AR ... so a newbie question to get off on the right foot ...

I have several handguns ... transport is of course with a trigger lock and lockable case.

What about the new AR? I assume since it is a restricted weapon it to will require a lockable case and trigger lock when being transported ... correct?

Or is a trigger lock and soft case acceptable? I kinda doubt that but had to ask.

What kind of cases are you all using?
 
Fix your title, you wrote AK...

But yes, same as the pistol. Soft case is fine as long as its not clear, and not easily broken into. You can use soft cases for your handguns too.

I use cheaper hard cases for cheap firearms, and pelican cases for firearms I care more about.
 
polskadude said:
Fix your title, you wrote AK...

But yes, same as the pistol. Soft case is fine as long as its not clear, and not easily broken into. You can use soft cases for your handguns too.

I use cheaper hard cases for cheap firearms, and pelican cases for firearms I care more about.
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Fixed, thanks ... duma$$ newbie ... :)

Yeah looking online I'm finding a ton of soft padded cases but few hard cases other than Pelican ...
 
Think you guys have got it wrong...

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Decivox said:
The RCMP site goes over this in detail. There is also a PDF you can print off in the top left corner if you want to keep in handy for reference:

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/storage-entreposage-eng.htm
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Agreed, I read the fact sheet ... also read the reg which states (in part):

(c) it is in a locked container that is made of an opaque material and is of such strength, construction and nature that it cannot readily be broken open or into or accidentally opened during transportation;

Has there ever been a definition of this section? What constitutes compliance to "of such strength, construction and nature that it cannot readily be broken open" is undoubtedly different to us all ... to some it might mean a steel case, to others a fabric case with a lock on the zipper ...
 
ranbur said:
Agreed, I read the fact sheet ... also read the reg which states (in part):

(c) it is in a locked container that is made of an opaque material and is of such strength, construction and nature that it cannot readily be broken open or into or accidentally opened during transportation;

Has there ever been a definition of this section? What constitutes compliance to "of such strength, construction and nature that it cannot readily be broken open" is undoubtedly different to us all ... to some it might mean a steel case, to others a fabric case with a lock on the zipper ...
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my interpretation, cant open it without tools.
 
Just some FYI about zippered cases:

[youtube]mf-DGKUNffI[/youtube]

It is up to you to decide if you feel you can defend that in court as not readily broken into

Shawn
 
ranbur said:
Agreed, I read the fact sheet ... also read the reg which states (in part):

(c) it is in a locked container that is made of an opaque material and is of such strength, construction and nature that it cannot readily be broken open or into or accidentally opened during transportation;

Has there ever been a definition of this section? What constitutes compliance to "of such strength, construction and nature that it cannot readily be broken open" is undoubtedly different to us all ... to some it might mean a steel case, to others a fabric case with a lock on the zipper ...
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I believe they purposely made the laws vague. The Firearms act is riddled with "reasonable this", "cannot easily" that. What does that mean? No one knows until you are in front of a judge.

As I do not have the resources or time to fight a possible charge in court from an overzealous officer for using a fabric case, I use plastic cases.
 
shawn said:
Just some FYI about zippered cases:

[youtube]mf-DGKUNffI[/youtube]

It is up to you to decide if you feel you can defend that in court as not readily broken into

Shawn
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He used a tool, in this case a pen.
Using the same logic I can remove almost any trigger lock sold on the market, or the padlock on a pelican case using a paperclip in the same amount of time.
 
ranbur said:
OK, so as of today I am officially the owner of a Sig M400 Enhanced ... new baby is due here in a week or so.

This is my first AR ... so a newbie question to get off on the right foot ...

I have several handguns ... transport is of course with a trigger lock and lockable case.

What about the new AR? I assume since it is a restricted weapon it to will require a lockable case and trigger lock when being transported ... correct?

Or is a trigger lock and soft case acceptable? I kinda doubt that but had to ask.

What kind of cases are you all using?
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Does Sig not provide a case with the firearm you purchased? If so, there's probably a place to put a lock on it.
 
Decivox said:
I believe they purposely made the laws vague. The Firearms act is riddled with "reasonable this", "cannot easily" that. What does that mean? No one knows until you are in front of a judge.

As I do not have the resources or time to fight a possible charge in court from an overzealous officer for using a fabric case, I use plastic cases.
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For this reason I always try to go above and beyond what is expected.
Plastic gun case, locked, with the firearm inside, trigger locked. Non-restricted, restricted, or prohib.
I treat them all the same. Rather be shooting/hunting, than arguing a losing battle with an ill-informed LEO.
 
thump_rrr said:
He used a tool, in this case a pen.
Using the same logic I can remove almost any trigger lock sold on the market, or the padlock on a pelican case using a paperclip in the same amount of time.
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Go ahead and post up anything from any legislation that states something is readily broken into only if a tool is not used. Also 99% of them can be done with nothing more than your finger

Its up to you if you feel this meets the requirement, just think about the reaction that the judge/jury will have when shown this vid.

Shawn
 
shawn said:
Go ahead and post up anything from any legislation that states something is readily broken into only if a tool is not used. Also 99% of them can be done with nothing more than your finger

Its up to you if you feel this meets the requirement, just think about the reaction that the judge/jury will have when shown this vid.

Shawn
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I have tried to pop the zippers on my Voodoo Tactical bags using a pocket screwdriver in the same manner shown in the video without success.
Secondly I would argue that it is designed and sold as a lockable rifle case.
 
thump_rrr said:
I have tried to pop the zippers on my Voodoo Tactical bags using a pocket screwdriver in the same manner shown in the video without success.
Secondly I would argue that it is designed and sold as a lockable rifle case.
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Which is great if you are comfortable with it.

But dont think just because it is sold or made to be a rifle case means it meets the legal storage/transport requirements or that that will be a defense in court.

Shawn
 
Most hard plastic cases can be broken into in seconds. As long as a regular guy can't tear it open with his bare hands, you're good to go. If an overzealous cop is out to get you, he will find something to get you for. Voodoo Tactical cases have provisions for locks and will meet any reasonable standard of "hard to break into". If you end up in court anyway, which you would have anyway as I can't imagine a normal cop, doing his job and not looking to screw you, would inflict on you, just allow your lawyer to argue the case, assuming the Crown doesn't throw out the case (pun not intended) anyway :cool:

Short version: Locked case (soft or hard) and a trigger lock for restricteds. Throw the unrestricteds in the back of the trunk if you want as long as they're not loaded.

P.S. All my locks have the combination 1-1-1, which means that I took effort to change it from factory 0-0-0 :D
 
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