10 round Legal sks PICS
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Correct.
So this guy is causing a bunch of bs with RCMP with miss interpreted information?
No wonder they told him they didn't know you could do that.
Yo Derr12 next time before you start firing off emails to RCMP get your facts strait thats all the firearms community needs is a witch hunt.
No wonder they told him they didn't know you could do that.
Yo Derr12 next time before you start firing off emails to RCMP get your facts strait thats all the firearms community needs is a witch hunt.
The only metal you grind out is "SLAG" under the receiver. Basicly, you are just cleaning up "ROUGH MACHINING AND CASTING' You are not altering the gun to perform any differently from its original design. "its cosmetic". Its the same idea as "Sanding and filing off the rough edges of your Nork 1911,..trying to Refine it .
Look at it this way............You buy an sks. You don't like the "POOR" factory look of the Under side. So you take the rifle all apart, clean it, de-bur it, take out all the rough edges, polish it, and put it back together. You just spent 2 days making your sks a nicer shooter .
Edit- some sks rifles will have not enough slag to even worry about, and no deburing would have to be done. Straight drop-in.
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Boy did you guys miss the point. I was seeking clarification for those who want to have both options available for this mod. The OP chose one way, Which is ultimately the way I want to go as well. But there was also claim made that modifying the mags to fit the magwell without milling the receiver would make it prohibited. I cant find anything in the regs that states that to be the case, so i asked the firearms tech department for clarification. The seller of the adapter seems to think that modifying the mags in the way that they do is totally legal so long as you do not increase the capacity. So props to the OP for all his hard and totally 100% legal work and willingness to share with the community.
I was doing this as a public service to anyone who wants to try this themselves but did not want to mill the receiver. In somewhat typical fashion a couple of you clearly have reading comprehension issues.
So once more, I am seeking the clarification of weather or not is is legal to leave the rifle whole and instead modify the mags for fitment from the RCMP. I will be informing in this thread the outcome of my inquiry. The rest of the peanut gallary can friggin cram it unless you have something constructive to offer.
I was doing this as a public service to anyone who wants to try this themselves but did not want to mill the receiver. In somewhat typical fashion a couple of you clearly have reading comprehension issues.
So once more, I am seeking the clarification of weather or not is is legal to leave the rifle whole and instead modify the mags for fitment from the RCMP. I will be informing in this thread the outcome of my inquiry. The rest of the peanut gallary can friggin cram it unless you have something constructive to offer.
Modifying mags are illegal, period. The problem arises when you call the RCMP. If you talk to ten different people there, you'll get ten different answers. What happens when the first one you call says "Ya, sure! Removing a little is no big deal, your gtg"? See you in court.
It clearly isn't that cut and dry. I looked for a couple hours for any mention of mag modification in the act. All I could find was that modifying a magazine to increase it's capacity pas legal limits was felonious.
Also, I would expect the RCMP to give me a straight answer if it was that black and white.
So yeah, When I get my answer in written form from them, take the information I pass along at face value, or don't. From what ive seen it's way more worthwhile to spend the time and do it the right way anyways.
Also, I would expect the RCMP to give me a straight answer if it was that black and white.
So yeah, When I get my answer in written form from them, take the information I pass along at face value, or don't. From what ive seen it's way more worthwhile to spend the time and do it the right way anyways.
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/sor-98-462/fulltext.html
Part 4, section 3(1). See all the references to "designed" and "manufactured"? You filing of the corner so that it fits alters the design. I don't like it anymore than anyone else does, but it is what it is.
3.#(1)#Any cartridge magazine
(a)#that is capable of containing more than five cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed and that is designed or manufactured for use in
(i)#a semi-automatic handgun that is not commonly available in Canada,
(ii)#a semi-automatic firearm other than a semi-automatic handgun,
(iii)#an automatic firearm whether or not it has been altered to discharge only one projectile with one pressure of the trigger,
(iv)#the firearms of the designs commonly known as the Ingram M10 and M11 pistols, and any variants or modified versions of them, including the Cobray M10 and M11 pistols, the RPB M10, M11 and SM11 pistols and the SWD M10, M11, SM10 and SM11 pistols,
(v)#the firearm of the design commonly known as the Partisan Avenger Auto Pistol, and any variant or modified version of it, or
(vi)#the firearm of the design commonly known as the UZI pistol, and any variant or modified version of it, including the Micro-UZI pistol; or
(b)#that is capable of containing more than 10 cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed and that is designed or manufactured for use in a semi-automatic handgun that is commonly available in Canada.
Part 4, section 3(1). See all the references to "designed" and "manufactured"? You filing of the corner so that it fits alters the design. I don't like it anymore than anyone else does, but it is what it is.
3.#(1)#Any cartridge magazine
(a)#that is capable of containing more than five cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed and that is designed or manufactured for use in
(i)#a semi-automatic handgun that is not commonly available in Canada,
(ii)#a semi-automatic firearm other than a semi-automatic handgun,
(iii)#an automatic firearm whether or not it has been altered to discharge only one projectile with one pressure of the trigger,
(iv)#the firearms of the designs commonly known as the Ingram M10 and M11 pistols, and any variants or modified versions of them, including the Cobray M10 and M11 pistols, the RPB M10, M11 and SM11 pistols and the SWD M10, M11, SM10 and SM11 pistols,
(v)#the firearm of the design commonly known as the Partisan Avenger Auto Pistol, and any variant or modified version of it, or
(vi)#the firearm of the design commonly known as the UZI pistol, and any variant or modified version of it, including the Micro-UZI pistol; or
(b)#that is capable of containing more than 10 cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed and that is designed or manufactured for use in a semi-automatic handgun that is commonly available in Canada.
One very important note:
The seller of the adapter is in the United States of 'Merica. Not Canada. I'm sure he's a great guy, but you can probably assume that when he thinks it's legal to mod mags... those legalities would be related to the US'M. Not Canada.
I believe the root of the legal issue with modifying magazines in Canada would be that you're in a (EDITED) situation of manufacturing a prohibited device. (It may be put forth by legal authorities that you're making a 10 round magazine to fit an SKS.)
On the other hand, I don't know of any legal language that prevents you from modifying (for cosmetic or other purposes, who cares if you call it "SLAG" or not?) the base rifle to accept different magazines... ok, so those magazines happen to be 10 round pistol mags, who cares?
This is evidenced by the existence of mag adapters for the VZ58. You're not changing barrel length, or overall length, or making it full auto... You should be good to go.
So basically chop your rifle all you want (again, outside of specifically mentioned items relating to barrel length/OAL or FA).
I guess what I will say is: We don't have a verifiable "green light" to modify mags specifically to fit different rifles... So when you chop on a mag (manufactured and designed for an XCR pistol) to make it fit an SKS (modified or not), what do you think you are doing, exactly? It could be easily put forth that you're mfg'ing a 10-round SKS mag. (Therefore a prohib device).
There's lots of room to prove me wrong, though. I'm definitely not a legal encyclopedia.
Considering the 10-pack of mags from Questar is more expensive than the SKS, I'd rather just mod the SKS anyway!
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And also, by calling the RCMP and asking them if it's OK to remove metal from a magazine is just muddying the waters.
If you need to trim some sharp edges, tweak your feed lips a bit, replace a follower to enhance function in the firearm it was designed for... I do believe that is quite legal. (Am I wrong?)
If you start modifying for the purpose to fit it to another firearm... well then...
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Thanks! I saw those lines and went over it several times.
That line (in my interpretation anyways) is stating that you cannot modify a magazine to hold more than the legal limit of the same caliber for the firearm that it was manufactured/designed for. It makes no mention of modifying it to fit another firearm.
I guess this is turning into a legalese discussion. I stumped another firearms tech at the RCMP with this question of interpretation over the phone. She said they would review my e-mail in a meeting once the volume of work there from the holidays blows over a bit. Tell you what, ill make a new post in legalese once the word comes down. Maybe they can release a special bulletin or something official like what they did for clarification on LAR pistol mags so that there can be no wrong interpretation on the matter.
That line (in my interpretation anyways) is stating that you cannot modify a magazine to hold more than the legal limit of the same caliber for the firearm that it was manufactured/designed for. It makes no mention of modifying it to fit another firearm.
I guess this is turning into a legalese discussion. I stumped another firearms tech at the RCMP with this question of interpretation over the phone. She said they would review my e-mail in a meeting once the volume of work there from the holidays blows over a bit. Tell you what, ill make a new post in legalese once the word comes down. Maybe they can release a special bulletin or something official like what they did for clarification on LAR pistol mags so that there can be no wrong interpretation on the matter.
I believe there is a law that says it is illegal to stick a knife in the gut of a guy named Fred, on Tuesday. But if you want to find the stabbing Fred law in the Criminal code, you're welcome to look. The point being the assault laws and laws in general are never written to prohibit every permutation of acts that falls under their scope.
For magazines the Powers That Be have determined that taking an existing magazine and changing it to fit another firearm fits under the definition of 'designed or manufactured' Clearly you are changing the design with the intent of having it fit another firearm other than which it was designed for. Maybe you are even manufacturing. The problem comes when you are changing the class of which firearm the original design was for and claiming the higher capacity of the previous design still applies. Change a 5+ capacity manual operated firearm magazine to fit a semi = bad. Change a 5+ capacity handgun magazine to fit a rifle = bad. You have designed or manufactured a prohibited overcapacity magazine for that firearm.
The magazine capacity is regulated, not the firearm. Changing the firearm magwell does not have any legal ramifications.
The firearms community has known this since LAR magazines came out, and manufacturers with $$$$$$ on the line have tested it with other designs over the last several years. Bringing it back to the forefront of the Powers That Be attention will serve no purpose other than to remind them to scheme up more limiting interpretations than we already have. BS like 'dual use' determinations is the product of them sitting down and discussing things when they have free time to scheme up more limiting policy.
Their interpretation of the law and 'policy' made up from interpretations of the law carries the power and resources of the entire law enforcement system. The general public can only hope to undo policy through two ways. The courts, in which you must be charged and found not guilty to set a precedent. Or legislation. Good luck with either.
That's why people don't appreciate you
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For magazines the Powers That Be have determined that taking an existing magazine and changing it to fit another firearm fits under the definition of 'designed or manufactured' Clearly you are changing the design with the intent of having it fit another firearm other than which it was designed for. Maybe you are even manufacturing. The problem comes when you are changing the class of which firearm the original design was for and claiming the higher capacity of the previous design still applies. Change a 5+ capacity manual operated firearm magazine to fit a semi = bad. Change a 5+ capacity handgun magazine to fit a rifle = bad. You have designed or manufactured a prohibited overcapacity magazine for that firearm.
The magazine capacity is regulated, not the firearm. Changing the firearm magwell does not have any legal ramifications.
The firearms community has known this since LAR magazines came out, and manufacturers with $$$$$$ on the line have tested it with other designs over the last several years. Bringing it back to the forefront of the Powers That Be attention will serve no purpose other than to remind them to scheme up more limiting interpretations than we already have. BS like 'dual use' determinations is the product of them sitting down and discussing things when they have free time to scheme up more limiting policy.
Their interpretation of the law and 'policy' made up from interpretations of the law carries the power and resources of the entire law enforcement system. The general public can only hope to undo policy through two ways. The courts, in which you must be charged and found not guilty to set a precedent. Or legislation. Good luck with either.
That's why people don't appreciate you
and No magazine was modified. Period. End of story. Where is the confusion coming from?
derr12 called the CFP asking about modifying pistol mags to fit the SKS.
I'm really trying not to be a jerk here...
Why in heavens name did you think it was a good idea to call them about this?
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There can be no ramification on anyone other than the op as he took something and hacksawed and glued and riveted or whatever! point taken! its not like "oh geez I didn't realize if you cut slashed and hacked you could alter the capacity of said firearm maybe we should reclassify!!" it just can't happen because if that was the case they could reclasify everything because there is always someone somewhere who will to do exactly what the op did right wrong or indifferent and what is the difference between putting one of these on an SKS or a cz58?? other than he did it himself and had to polish it to fit, its funny how people automatically jump on the hush hush there gonna find us and flush us out bandwagon when someone does this kind of thing, no mags were harmed in the making of this article!!! enjoy your rifle op not my cup o tea but kudos to your ingenuity
Dude, its the government, they always play ultrasafe?
"Cross the street? No sir, i would not advise crossing the street at any point due to possibility of being hit by a car."
Sometimes think before you go asking half assed questions that do nothing but muddy the waters, especially to the agency whose sole purpose is to #### gun owners over. You also call the cops while speeding down the highway to ask if its okay to speed?
"Cross the street? No sir, i would not advise crossing the street at any point due to possibility of being hit by a car."
Sometimes think before you go asking half assed questions that do nothing but muddy the waters, especially to the agency whose sole purpose is to #### gun owners over. You also call the cops while speeding down the highway to ask if its okay to speed?
