Norc bashing is it really warranted?

I've had several Norc 1911's. Never had a lemon yet.

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LordEvilPepper said:
first M305 blew up
Second M305 required over $2000 in parts and gunsmithing to fix failure after failure of parts

Been cut many times by the slide on one of there 1911 knock offs

Had the bolt fail on a .22 of theirs

Issues with feeding on a SKS that could not be fixed without remilling the receiver... aka hours with a dremel tool.

I've personally handled over half a dozen M305's that had serious issues ranging from $100 fixes to "you might as well chuck it unless you drop over $1500 in parts" catastrophe guns right out of the box.

One had head space in excess of 12 thou over field, a bent op rod that would not allow the action to cycle without the use of a foot and a front site so canted i doubt you could zero it.... that was right out of the box.

Norc is crap. I have yet to handle a fire arm from them, or for that matter any of my buddies as well that has not failed in less then a 1000 rounds or came ####ed up.
i'll never buy another firearm under there name or any of their subsidies
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You have got to be the unluckiest gun owner I have ever heard of.....
 
Tigerbalm said:
Last I checked, no one was comparing a Norc to a deployment rifle, and although not competing seriously on a national level, the Norc (with norc ammo I might add) has ousted plenty of ppl running expensive setups in the $2K+ range at local multigun and tac rifle matches. It's just a fun gun to shoot without care. It's accurate and reliable for me. For someone looking to run a reliable rifle on a budget, this is a great start. And well worth it IMO. Everyone is entitled to buy what they want. That's what makes this a fun hobby, sport, etc.
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Anything is possible at an informal shoot where pikers with bargain basement guns and ammo might outshoot another piker with quality equipment I suppose. And gawd knows it doesn't get much more informal than the clubs I shoot at...but if you think you are going to take me to school with a Norc M14 I have some very, very bad news for you. Given the QA/QC issues I steer the noobs away from them if I can. For $450.00 you can get a great milsurp K98 or K31 and shoot circles around any Norc off the rack and most that have been 'accurized'.

But the fact is that if you are going to seriously compete - the Norcs are better left in the bargain bin or left for the noobs to play with.
 
One Lung Wonder said:
Anything is possible at an informal shoot where pikers with bargain basement guns and ammo might outshoot another piker with quality equipment I suppose. And gawd knows it doesn't get much more informal than the clubs I shoot at...but if you think you are going to take me to school with a Norc M14 I have some very, very bad news for you. Given the QA/QC issues I steer the noobs away from them if I can. For $450.00 you can get a great milsurp K98 or K31 and shoot circles around any Norc off the rack and most that have been 'accurized'.

But the fact is that if you are going to seriously compete - the Norcs are better left in the bargain bin or left for the noobs to play with.
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Yup, a 70 year old K98 firing full power 8mm from a 5 round box using Mauser iron sights will always outshoot a 223 AR feeding from a 10 round pistol mag and sighted using a red dot in a timed match every time. Oh yes, and with RC Mausers running $700 where are you finding them for $450.
 
Candocad said:
More like it was cheap and it does the job is more the theme I thought?

Candocad.
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I can agree with that as well. My offering is just what seems to always come up during the bi-weekly norinco threads.

Honestly, I'm not sure why I read these any more. It's like Groundhog Day and smacks of trolling when the question is about norc in general and not a specific gun in particular.

Remember also that the Chinese build to our specs and price point, so if you guys want better QC then get on the case of marstar and can am to stop buying skids of factory seconds (being quasi facetious here), and bring in the "good stuff". Which, of course, is going to cost proportionately more.
 
randyhub said:
Really everyone keeps saying how good US guns are guess there are all kinds of excuses for just them not Norinco.......
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What US or Euro gun of today comes with any of the guaranteed fit/finish/flaws that you are going to get buying Chinese?
It wouldn't be tolerated, I've seen posts here where guys sent back brand new guns for exchange because of a tiny little scratch on the gun or on the crown, even for a small tool mark or casting pit on the inside of a US made gun. These were on $650 guns, we demand perfection from US manufacturing, but let it slide on Chinese guns. You know how long you would have to wait for a perfect Chinese gun if you kept returning them.....your grandkids grandkids would still be waiting
 
LordEvilPepper said:
first M305 blew up
Second M305 required over $2000 in parts and gunsmithing to fix failure after failure of parts

Been cut many times by the slide on one of there 1911 knock offs

Had the bolt fail on a .22 of theirs

Issues with feeding on a SKS that could not be fixed without remilling the receiver... aka hours with a dremel tool.

I've personally handled over half a dozen M305's that had serious issues ranging from $100 fixes to "you might as well chuck it unless you drop over $1500 in parts" catastrophe guns right out of the box.

One had head space in excess of 12 thou over field, a bent op rod that would not allow the action to cycle without the use of a foot and a front site so canted i doubt you could zero it.... that was right out of the box.

Norc is crap. I have yet to handle a fire arm from them, or for that matter any of my buddies as well that has not failed in less then a 1000 rounds or came ####ed up.
i'll never buy another firearm under there name or any of their subsidies
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ever thought that maybe its just you?
not saying it to be mean or trollish but if i went to the well 20 times and 20 times i got a bucket of #### then id start to think its me and not the well, know what i mean?
 
Have you seen any of the Springer Kabooms on the net? The vast majority of rifles that fail in a catastrophic manner do so because someone thought reloading for a semi auto was the same as reloading for a bolt gun.
 
perhaps.
in my case the young owner swore it was surplus ammo that he shot.
but then again, I can't say anything since I was only the recipient of shrapnel.
 
Chinese optics suck the root too....I mean while we are on the subject and all.....also blows my mind what people will shell out for these. Anything over $50 for a Chinese red dot or scope is just a rip.
 
enefgee said:
Have you seen any of the Springer Kabooms on the net? The vast majority of rifles that fail in a catastrophic manner do so because someone thought reloading for a semi auto was the same as reloading for a bolt gun.
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Hundreds of thousands of Springfield rifles out there with a handful of KB's, few thousand Norks with the same number of KB's, which one is more likely to blow up in your face? Lol
 
Baddog377 said:
I knew a mechanic that had a perfectly good generic toolbox as he couldn't afford more at the time, after a while he picked up a snappon name brand box to replace it (looked pretty much the same with form and function). I understand there would be some increase in quality but certainly not enough to warrant the huge (seriously huge)price discrepancy. When I asked him about it he explained that in the mechanic world the type of tools and box you have will translate into respect or lack thereof from other mechanics. true story.
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Trust me, there is a difference! My box/ tools weigh as much as a car & a lesser box can actually break if you try to move it. It doesn't have to be snap-on per say but any quality box will cost just as much.No serious mechanic is going to use cheap tools cause it cost you too much money in the long run.
 
I had a Norinco 1911 double stack that had issues feeding. A friends single stack also had reliability issues. I had a Norinco AR15 and it ran great and never had a single issue.
 
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