Indoor private handgun shooting range?

[shawn]

I thought this discussion went on, and as of now us still going on, in the other thread posted earlier....

Anyways I'm sure you responded to my posts of the law then, and i expect much the same here, but I think it's important and this is directed at the OP and anyone who didn't read the other thread...

Section 67 of FA says at renewal


Section 28 says


And lastly
So.... when renewing your licence or when informed by a CFO that the restricted firearm is being used for a purpose not described in s 28, shall revoke the registration certificate.

Section 28 states (for target practice purposes) the restricted firearm can be used at an approved range or under conditions of your ATT.... my ATT specifies for target practice at an approved range.

So... If you are target practicing at home with your restricted, have your approved range approved or you will lose your registration certificates.

LOL you need to learn how to read legislation nearly everything you said is 100% wrong or you are twisting it to fit your position.

Lets start with the basics.

WHAT EVER YOUR ATT SAYS IS 100% IRRELEVANT IF YOU ARE NOT TRANSPORTING FULL STOP

Now lets take a look at the section you think are your proof.

Section 28:

28. A chief firearms officer may approve the transfer to an individual of a restricted firearm or a handgun referred to in subsection 12(6.1) (pre-December 1, 1998 handguns) only if the chief firearms officer is satisfied

(a) that the individual needs the restricted firearm or handgun
(i) to protect the life of that individual or of other individuals, or
(ii) for use in connection with his or her lawful profession or occupation; or

(b) that the purpose for which the individual wishes to acquire the restricted firearm or handgun is
(i) for use in target practice, or a target shooting competition, under conditions specified in an authorization to transport or under the auspices of a shooting club or shooting range that is approved under section 29, or
(ii) to form part of a gun collection of the individual, in the case of an individual who satisfies the criteria described in section 30.

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/f-11.6/page-9.html#docCont

Wow seven words into the section and it already doesn't apply if you are not transferring a firearm
Now lets look at the subsection that you think proves your point. Wait what is that? 9 words in and it already doesn't apply

So now we have established that section 28 doesnt apply lets look at the other section you like.

Section 67:

67. (1) A chief firearms officer may renew a licence, authorization to carry or authorization to transport in the prescribed manner.
Marginal note:Restricted firearms and pre-December 1, 1998 handguns

(2) On renewing a licence authorizing an individual to possess restricted firearms or handguns referred to in subsection 12(6.1) (pre-December 1, 1998 handguns), a chief firearms officer shall decide whether any of those firearms or handguns that the individual possesses are being used for a purpose described in section 28.

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/f-11.6/page-19.html#docCont

Damn now we are at only 6 words in and this section doesn't apply. Shooting your firearm does not = renewing your PAL LOL

Lets see what the subsection you like says. Ooopsie this one is only two words in and it doesn't apply.

I did. If you are using the firearm for target practice you must follow section 28 (b)(I).

Nope, that is not what it says it say to transfer a firearm section 28 (b)(I) must be meet. You are just making up things you want the law to say and not reading what it actually says.

Read your ATT mine days target practice at an approved range.

You are really stuck on this BS aren't you. Go ahead and post the section of the law that says I have to follow the conditions of my ATT when I am not transporting my firearms

No bud, in your own post you came to the conclusion yourself that your ATT saves you for shooting at an unapproved range at home, since this is where you can lawfully posses it.

Unless yours is worded different than mine, that doesn't fly. My ATT states specifically for target practice at an approved range. The rest of 28 (b)(I) uses the words approved range directly.

So... again you are stuck having to comply with 28 (b)(I) for target practice with restricteds. At an approved range or under the conditions of your ATT, which unless yours differs from mine, clearly indicates said target practice must occur at an approved range.

NO ATT APPLIES, how hard is that to figure out?

Sorry bud but you have no idea what your talking about

Shawn

 

[shawn]

Thanks for posting up the other sections, I was getting tired of the barrage.

Stop posting BS and people wont barrage you with the facts

The activity of shooting is authorized with the ATT.

Absolute BS

All an ATT can do and can ever do is authorize you to transport your firearms to a listed location.

So, if you do not have an ATT, the logic follows that you can not target practice at your approved location (dwelling).

What kind of micky mouse logic is this? I cant do something at the place where I am unless I have the authorization to take it some where else? Do you even read what your write?

Remember intended purpose for ownership could result in the legal indefinite revocation of your restricted registration. So now you are forced to go to Court to get your firearms back and have your registrations and ATT reinstated. The judge will again look at the Act and make a decision of your use based on the intertwined Sections of the Act using the "reasonable" test. You may win, but with all of the hoops that have been put in place for legitimate permit holding ranges, the odds are not in your favour unless your unapproved firing location meets the design criteria of an approved range. One other thing to keep in mind is that a firearms business must meet other conditions to hold a permit, including range design. So even though they may not hold a range license, the range indicated as part of their business and insurance for its use will probably meet the approved criteria.

So now you are back pedaling and saying its legal but you might get charged with something by some one so its not a good idea.

Now for the really good part.

What if I have an ATT and a range membership? Does the world still end if I shoot in my basement?

LOL watch their heads explode when with this one sentence their entire ill conceived BS is destroyed. I could have pointed this out earlier but wanted them to dig themselves in a little deeper first.

And if you two are going to try get around this let me start by saying if you can not post sections of the firearms act that say the following, you loose:

That I have to declare any use of my firearms
That firearms cant not have multiple uses

I await the great replies.

Shawn

 

[Shanks4300]

Better entertainment than the last Jets game for sure.

 

[Paul_1982]

LOL you need to learn how to read legislation nearly everything you said is 100% wrong or you are twisting it to fit your position.

Lets start with the basics.

WHAT EVER YOUR ATT SAYS IS 100% IRRELEVANT IF YOU ARE NOT TRANSPORTING FULL STOP

Now lets take a look at the section you think are your proof.

Section 28:



http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/f-11.6/page-9.html#docCont

Wow seven words into the section and it already doesn't apply if you are not transferring a firearm
Now lets look at the subsection that you think proves your point. Wait what is that? 9 words in and it already doesn't apply

So now we have established that section 28 doesnt apply lets look at the other section you like.

Section 67:



http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/f-11.6/page-19.html#docCont

Damn now we are at only 6 words in and this section doesn't apply. Shooting your firearm does not = renewing your PAL LOL

Lets see what the subsection you like says. Ooopsie this one is only two words in and it doesn't apply.



Nope, that is not what it says it say to transfer a firearm section 28 (b)(I) must be meet. You are just making up things you want the law to say and not reading what it actually says.



You are really stuck on this BS aren't you. Go ahead and post the section of the law that says I have to follow the conditions of my ATT when I am not transporting my firearms



NO ATT APPLIES, how hard is that to figure out?

Sorry bud but you have no idea what your talking about

Shawn

The inevitable reply lol

Shawn, I have much respect for you, I've seen you and your passion in many threads, I hope you don't take my disagreement as anything other than that.

That said...

As I've said earlier, anytime one section is referenced in another section in law, the referred to section then becomes a part of the new one. So when section 67 and 71 refer to section 28, section 28 no longer becomes SOLELY about transfers. It is then attached to the other sections. The same goes when referring to the CONDITIONS of your ATT in section 28 which deals with using the restricted firearm for target practice. The conditions of your ATT then are attached as part of section 28(b)(I), regardless of whether you are transporting or not.

On face value and taken on their own, yes, section 28 deals only with transfers, section 67 only with renewals and section 71 only with revocation of registration certificates. But as they all reference EACH OTHER, they are actually much more fluid than that.

When section 67 references section 28 as being a requirement for consideration upon renewal, section 28 then also deals with renewals. When section 71 then references section 67, section 67 (and as a result 28) then also deals with the duty to revoke registration certificates.

So since section 71 says the registration certificate shall be revoked when notified by the CFO as per section 67 that the firearm is not being used for a purpose in section 28 (remember we are dealing with target practice here), all of a sudden section 28 does not seem to apply solely to transfers does it?

So how does the CFO learn of the restricted firearms use at an unapproved range at your dwelling? That is the biggest issue here. Obviously if caught by an officer who places the call, or likely never. Nowhere in law does it say you have to disclose the purposes the firearm is being used for after your transfer, although if asked by the CFO at renewal I would have to check if not disclosing it is an issue (ie lying to get a licence/registration certificate).

You are really stuck on this BS aren't you. Go ahead and post the section of the law that says I have to follow the conditions of my ATT when I am not transporting my firearms

That would be section 28 dealing specifically with target practice with a restricted firearm. The CONDITIONS of your ATT are referenced, therefore become a part of that section. Whether you are transporting or not, section 28(b)(I) states the conditions on your ATT apply when using the firearm for target practice.

No matter how many uses you think the firearm can be used for, when dealing specifically with target shooting, it's spelled out in law.

 

[Vengeance]

I am a lawyer and come on here to relax...you guys make my head hurt lol

 

[Hawking]

I am a lawyer and come on here to relax...you guys make my head hurt lol

LOL Thats funny that is.

 

[twoicebergs]

So now you are back pedaling and saying its legal but you might get charged with something by some one so its not a good idea.

Nope, no back peddling. I was just offering a what if for your position.

Since you want to twist it:

17. Subject to sections 19 and 20, a prohibited
firearm or restricted firearm, the holder of
the registration certificate for which is an individual,
may be possessed only at the dwelling house
of the individual, as recorded in the
Canadian Firearms Registry, or at a place authorized
by a chief firearms officer.

Not the words "possessed only at the dwelling house of the individual". There is no authorization to use, as in discharge.

What if I have an ATT and a range membership? Does the world still end if I shoot in my basement?

That depends on how often you exercise your shooting attendance at the authorized range. Not that the government is doing it, but they could question your need for renewing your RPAL or worse, rescind your registrations if you don't feed the paper pig. Of course you could sign on as a "collector". Depending on the condition of your cave your shooting world could come to an end if the CFO deems that use to not be in the public interest, unsafe or unauthorized use, as in more than possessed at the dwelling. 19.1(a) still applies as the only way to take your restricted firearms to a range that is authorized for discharge.

And if you two are going to try get around this let me start by saying if you can not post sections of the firearms act that say the following, you loose:

That I have to declare any use of my firearms
That firearms cant not have multiple uses

OK, you loose! Why?

The CFO can take them away using the following:

(2) On renewing a licence authorizing an individual
to possess restricted firearms or handguns
referred to in subsection 12(6.1) (pre-December
1, 1998 handguns), a chief firearms
officer shall decide whether any of those
firearms or handguns that the individual possesses
are being used for a purpose described in
section 28.

Note that this is for any restricted firearm (post 1998 owner) and pre-Dec 1998 handgun owner. If the CFO determines no or wrong purpose, the registrations and potentially the license can be cancelled or not renewed. So ownership of a restricted or prohibited firearm is a privilege, not a right. Even more so than a non-restricted firearm, not that you like to compare apples to oranges. Your RPAL is for a selected use, unless you were grandfathered. You can use your firearms as door-stops if you want, but unless you have a protection order, for your restricted firearms, you are either a target shooter or a collector. If you want to be a collector, there is another form to fill out and get approved.

70. (1) A chief firearms officer may revoke
a licence, an authorization to carry or an authorization
to transport for any good and sufficient
reason including, without limiting the generality
of the foregoing,
(a) where the holder of the licence or authorization
(i) is no longer or never was eligible to
hold the licence or authorization,
(ii) contravenes any condition attached to
the licence or authorization, or
(iii) has been convicted or discharged under
section 730 of the Criminal Code of an
offence referred to in paragraph 5(2)(a); or

Then the Registrar does this:

71. (1) The Registrar
(a) may revoke a registration certificate for
a prohibited firearm or a restricted firearm
for any good and sufficient reason; and
(b) shall revoke a registration certificate for
a firearm held by an individual where the
Registrar is informed by a chief firearms officer
under section 67 that the firearm is not
being used for a purpose described in section
28.

Remember, Section 28 is for both restricted (new owners) and pre-Dec 98, not just the latter. If you hold and Restricted certificates, they can be revoked.

61.(3) An authorization to carry or authorization
to transport may take the form of a condition
attached to a licence.

So in effect, the ATT also modifies the license, as in it authorizes where it can be transported to (possessed) - which you already conceded, and where it can be used as a firearm (discharged), such as an approved range - which you are still disputing.

 

[Pure Energy]

Please read my other posts and section 67 and 71.

I did read it and the way it is worded makes no difference to my post that you quoted. An ATT is not required to own restricted or prohib firearms. Here ya go.

Section 67 of FA says at renewal
(2) On renewing a licence authorizing an individual to possess restricted firearms or handguns referred to in subsection 12(6.1) (pre-December 1, 1998 handguns), (Not that this has anything to do with this, but is this part of the law talking about 12.6 pistols? I don't know) a chief firearms officer shall decide whether any of those firearms or handguns that the individual possesses are being used for a purpose described in section 28.

Section 28 says Permitted purposes

28. A chief firearms officer may approve the transfer to an individual of a restricted firearm or a handgun referred to in subsection 12(6.1) (pre-December 1, 1998 handguns) only if the chief firearms officer is satisfied
(a) that the individual needs the restricted firearm or handgun
(i) to protect the life of that individual or of other individuals, or
(ii) for use in connection with his or her lawful profession or occupation; or
(b) that the purpose for which the individual wishes to acquire the restricted firearm or handgun is
(i) for use in target practice, or a target shooting competition, under conditions specified in an authorization to transport or under the auspices of a shooting club or shooting range that is approved under section 29, or
(ii) to form part of a gun collection of the individual, in the case of an individual who satisfies the criteria described in section 30.


And lastly
Revocation of registration certificate

71. (1) The Registrar
(a) may revoke a registration certificate for a prohibited firearm or a restricted firearm for any good and sufficient reason; and
(b) shall revoke a registration certificate for a firearm held by an individual where the Registrar is informed by a chief firearms officer under section 67 that the firearm is not being used for a purpose described in section 28.

 

[Paul_1982]

I never said an ATT was required. Section 28 (b)(I) references the conditions of your ATT as an OR... Meaning if u don't have one its not applicable.

In other words.... If you don't have an ATT you can target practice at an approved range, OR, if you DO have an ATT you can target practice following the conditions of your ATT. As stated earlier mine specifies target practice at an approved range.

 

[Pure Energy]

I never said an ATT was required. Section 28 (b)(I) references the conditions of your ATT as an OR... Meaning if u don't have one its not applicable.

So you just admitted that you can own a restricted or prohib firearm without an ATT. I agree. So now where does it say that you cannot discharge a firearm in a home that you own if you want to? You told me to read sections 67 and 71 so here they are in relation to 28.

Section 67
(2) On renewing a licence authorizing an individual to possess restricted firearms or handguns referred to in subsection 12(6.1) (pre-December 1, 1998 handguns), a chief firearms officer shall decide whether any of those firearms or handguns that the individual possesses are being used for a purpose described in section 28. So this has to do with renewing a licence, not with already owning them. This is irrelevant however due to S.28 b(ii) You can claim a collection.

The CFO 28. A chief firearms officer may approve the transfer to an individual of a restricted firearm or a handgun referred to in subsection 12(6.1) (pre-December 1, 1998 handguns) only if the chief firearms officer is satisfied
(a) that the individual needs the restricted firearm or handgun
(i) to protect the life of that individual or of other individuals, or
(ii) for use in connection with his or her lawful profession or occupation; or
(b) that the purpose for which the individual wishes to acquire the restricted firearm or handgun is
(i) for use in target practice, or a target shooting competition, under conditions specified in an authorization to transport or under the auspices of a shooting club or shooting range that is approved under section 29, or
(ii) to form part of a gun collection of the individual, in the case of an individual who satisfies the criteria described in section 30.

So here we go.

71. (1) The Registrar
(a) may revoke a registration certificate for a prohibited firearm or a restricted firearm for any good and sufficient reason; and
(b) shall revoke a registration certificate for a firearm held by an individual where the Registrar is informed by a chief firearms officer under section 67 that the firearm is not being used for a purpose described in section 28. So the way this is worded combined with S.67 and 28 is that S.71 is this "(b) shall revoke a registration certificate for a firearm held by an individual where the Registrar is informed by a chief firearms officer under section 67 that the firearm is not being used for a purpose described in section 28" Under Section 28 you can own them for target practice or for collecting.
So under S.28 the CFO can not revoke a registration certificate as all laws have been followed. "(i) for use in target practice, or a target shooting competition, under conditions specified in an authorization to transport or under the auspices of a shooting club or shooting range that is approved under section 29, or
(ii) to form part of a gun collection of the individual, in the case of an individual who satisfies the criteria described in section 30. "


So once again, you are not transporting your restricted / prohib firearm. You are in a place that you are allowed to possess said firearm and if there are no municipal bylaws what law are you breaking?

 

[Paul_1982]

Ok, I'm getting tired of repeating myself so this will be the last time and it will be short.

I'll use your wording working backwards.... Section 28 is only followed if you a) target shoot at an approved range or b) target shoot following the conditions of your ATT. Please read yours. Mine says target shooting at an approved range and transport to and from. So target shooting at home is not a condition of your ATT, as it specifies approved range.

Therefore section 67 and 71 are evoked and no more reg certs.

 

[Pure Energy]

Ok, I'm getting tired of repeating myself so this will be the last time and it will be short.

I'll use your wording working backwards.... Section 28 is only followed if you a) target shoot at an approved range or b) target shoot following the conditions of your ATT. Please read yours. Mine says target shooting at an approved range and transport to and from. So target shooting at home is not a condition of your ATT (Sigh... it is not a condition of my ATT because I am at home, I don't have to transport anything anywhere!), as it specifies approved range.

Therefore section 67 and 71 are evoked and no more reg certs.

Are you ignoring S.28 B (ii)? And again, not sure that you are understanding this, if you are at home the ATT has nothing to do with anything. NONE of this. You are at home. ATT is authorization to transport. You are not transporting anything. The ATT has nothing to do with firearms at home!

S 28. A chief firearms officer may approve the transfer to an individual of a restricted firearm or a handgun referred to in subsection 12(6.1) (pre-December 1, 1998 handguns) only if the chief firearms officer is satisfied
(a) that the individual needs the restricted firearm or handgun
(i) to protect the life of that individual or of other individuals, or
(ii) for use in connection with his or her lawful profession or occupation; or
(b) that the purpose for which the individual wishes to acquire the restricted firearm or handgun is
(i) for use in target practice, or a target shooting competition, under conditions specified in an authorization to transport or under the auspices of a shooting club or shooting range that is approved under section 29, or
(ii) to form part of a gun collection of the individual, in the case of an individual who satisfies the criteria described in section 30.

 

[Paul_1982]

Wow. No I'm not ignoring 28 (b)(ii). When did we start discussing forming a collection? I didn't touch on a (I) or (ii) either because it has NOTHING to do with target practice.

You can feel all you want about your ATT and it's relevance. I've explained that enough, section 28 references directly to target practice, that's why it matters.

If you chose to believe your ATT is only active during transport in this section, then ignore it. That leaves you with the direct quote that target practice is to be done at an approved range.

 

[Paul_1982]

Well this would have saved me a LOT of time lol :

www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/restr-eng.htm

Target Shooting Practice and Competition

To be authorized to have restricted firearms for target shooting purposes, an individual must provide proof that he or she practices or competes at an approved shooting club or range. For more information about approved shooting clubs and ranges, contact the appropriate provincial or territorial CFO by calling 1-800-731-4000.

 

[Pure Energy]

Well this would have saved me a LOT of time lol :

www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/restr-eng.htm

Not really. Again collectors, anyway.

Wow. No I'm not ignoring 28 (b)(ii). When did we start discussing forming a collection? I didn't touch on a (I) or (ii) either because it has NOTHING to do with target practice.

You can feel all you want about your ATT and it's relevance. I've explained that enough, section 28 references directly to target practice, that's why it matters.

If you chose to believe your ATT is only active during transport in this section, then ignore it. That leaves you with the direct quote that target practice is to be done at an approved range.

Paul, I am not a lawyer, but I understand proper grammar and english and the way the law is written there is nothing that says you can not shoot a firearm in your own home. You seem to be hung up on the ATT issue. The fact is that you do NOT need an ATT for your restricted / prohib firearms in your own home. Please understand ATT. Authorization to Transport. You are not transporting them. Note this part on S.28 "(i) for use in target practice, or a target shooting competition, under conditions specified in an authorization to transport or under the auspices of a shooting club or shooting range that is approved under section 29, or
(ii) to form part of a gun collection of the individual, in the case of an individual who satisfies the criteria described in section 30. "

Even if the way you are arguing this whole situation was valid, which it is not (please show me the written law where I can not discharge a firearm in my home,) note the red "or." Even if you were correct for some reason, I could still buy a restricted / prohib firearm and claim it as a collector. Then what do you say? I would have no ATT but it would not matter since I would be shooting in my basement gun range. I do not need an ATT. I am not transporting anything. Get off the ATT topic man, if you shoot in your own home you are not transporting. Again, GET OFF THE ATT TOPIC YOU ARE NOT TRANSPORTING.

 

[Paul_1982]

Ok. I can't seem to get through to you. Yes you can acquire and maintain a restricted firearm for a collection. Cool. Target shooting that firearm is a different story.

I would bold the part where the RCMP actually says target shooting has to be done at an approved range, but then you will bold having a collection... so .... call the number in my post above and ask if you wish.

 

[twoicebergs]

(2) On renewing a licence authorizing an individual to possess restricted firearms or handguns referred to in subsection 12(6.1) (pre-December 1, 1998 handguns), (Not that this has anything to do with this, but is this part of the law talking about 12.6 pistols? I don't know)

Your grammar skills have missed the point. The infamous "or" makes both sides of it valid if it applies.

(please show me the written law where I can not discharge a firearm in my home,)

And I Quote (read 167 above):

17. Subject to sections 19 and 20, a prohibited
firearm or restricted firearm, the holder of
the registration certificate for which is an individual,
may be possessed only at the dwelling house
of the individual, as recorded in the
Canadian Firearms Registry, or at a place authorized
by a chief firearms officer.

It doesn't have to say you can not discharge it as it say you can only possess it at the dwelling. So, even a collector can possess a restricted firearm, but just like a target shooter, he can only discharge it at and an authorized place, that being an authorized shooting location for restricted or prohibited handguns owned prior to Dec 1998 - see what I did there; it applies to both sides of the "or". Of course, an ATT will be required and will form part of the conditions applied to the license held by the owner.

Last post guys.

Laws are like life-jackets. You can choose not to use them, but you should know the consequences of not using them.

 

[Paul_1982]

I'm careful when using the word discharge here in my arguments. I'm speaking solely on target shooting as was the scenario.

Can you discharge a restricted firearm in your home under other conditions and have it be lawful? Sure, under VERY narrow guidelines, mostly only in immediate defence against death or serious bodily harm.

Careless use of a firearm always applies no matter where you are. So can u legally shoot out your window and have it be not for target practice (i think target practice has been covered lol).

I can only think of a few reasons for ever discharging a firearm. ..
1. Target Practice or competitions.
2. Hunting.
3. To save livestock.
4. To protect against death or serious bodily harm.

There may be more but outside of these I can't think of a reason for shooting a gun? All of these have restrictions in law as well.

So if you are asking can I discharge my restricted firearm out my window not for any of the above legally? No. Careless use of a firearm. Your bullet will not reach space.

 

[shawn]

Nope, no back peddling. I was just offering a what if for your position.

Fair enough

Not the words "possessed only at the dwelling house of the individual". There is no authorization to use, as in discharge.

Oh noes it doesn’t say anything about being “authorized” to shoot at a place that is authorized by the CFO either.

You just proved my point for me, the ATT is only an authorization to transport which exempts you from charges under the possession laws in the criminal code.

That depends on how often you exercise your shooting attendance at the authorized range.

Now you are making up more BS laws. Go ahead and post the law that says how many times I have to go to a range.

CFO deems that use to not be in the public interest, unsafe or unauthorized use, as in more than possessed at the dwelling. 19.1(a) still applies as the only way to take your restricted firearms to a range that is authorized for discharge.

Holy crap you guys are dense. ATT don’t apply if your not transporting. ATT regulations dont apply if you not transporting, ATT conditions dont apply if your not trasnporting

Let me ask you this question then, for the sake of this scenario we will assume you are correct about ATT conditions always applying (even tho you are wrong).

Some people have specific times listed on their ATTs as in they can only transport their firearms between, lets say 1200 and 1300. You are saying that it is illegal to do anything in any location other that the one listed on your ATT. So at 1330 after this guy comes home is he breaking the law for cleaning his guns out side of the times listed on a condition of his ATT?

Note that this is for any restricted firearm (post 1998 owner) and pre-Dec 1998 handgun owner. If the CFO determines no or wrong purpose, the registrations and potentially the license can be cancelled or not renewed.

What renewal or transfer is taking place if I walk down stairs to my basement?

So ownership of a restricted or prohibited firearm is a privilege, not a right.

Never said otherwise

Your RPAL is for a selected use, unless you were grandfathered. You can use your firearms as door-stops if you want, but unless you have a protection order, for your restricted firearms, you are either a target shooter or a collector. If you want to be a collector, there is another form to fill out and get approved.

And? No one has said different

So in effect, the ATT also modifies the license, as in it authorizes where it can be transported to (possessed) - which you already conceded,

Yep because that is what the law says.

Actually it says that an ATT allows you to transport your restricted firearms to any location the CFO approves other than you dwelling. As you dwelling is specifically authorized by the act.

and where it can be used as a firearm (discharged), such as an approved range - which you are still disputing.

So now your saying that having an ATT to a location authorizes the discharge of firearms in that location?

I am really glad your not a lawyer.

Ok, I'm getting tired of repeating myself so this will be the last time and it will be short.

I'll use your wording working backwards.... Section 28 is only followed if you a) target shoot at an approved range or b) target shoot following the conditions of your ATT. Please read yours. Mine says target shooting at an approved range and transport to and from. So target shooting at home is not a condition of your ATT, as it specifies approved range.

Therefore section 67 and 71 are evoked and no more reg certs.

If you keep repeating the same made up BS people wont correct you on it.

So go ahead and post up what renewal or transfer is taking place if I shoot in my basement?
Or the law that says I can have firearms for only one specific purpose and not multiple ones?
Or that ATT conditions apply when not transporting?

You wont because they don’t exist, you are just making up laws to suit your position.

Wow. No I'm not ignoring 28 (b)(ii). When did we start discussing forming a collection? I didn't touch on a (I) or (ii) either because it has NOTHING to do with target practice.

But you are ignoring the fact that section only applies to transfers

You can feel all you want about your ATT and it's relevance. I've explained that enough, section 28 references directly to target practice, that's why it matters.

And you can make up BS all you want doesn’t make you right

If you chose to believe your ATT is only active during transport in this section, then ignore it. That leaves you with the direct quote that target practice is to be done at an approved range.

No that leave us with a section that says I can transfer a firearm unless the conditions of section 28 are met.

Well this would have saved me a LOT of time lol :

www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/restr-eng.htm

You know that the RCMP website is not the law right?

I would bold the part where the RCMP actually says target shooting has to be done at an approved range, but then you will bold having a collection... so .... call the number in my post above and ask if you wish.

The RCMP can say what ever they like, that doesn’t make it the law.

So to throw another monkey wrench into BS made up law plan, how does your plan work out when I don’t have a range membership?

You know that there is no law saying we have to have range memberships right? And it has been fought and won in court multiple times. How can I bee a target shooter if I don’t have a range membership? Oh noes how will I ever shoot my guns.

Shawn

 

[Paul_1982]

Shawn if you won't listen to the RCMP website which I'm sure was consulted by with the CFO 'S and Lawyers before publishing, nothing I can say to you will change your mind. I've been clear enough.