Indoor private handgun shooting range?

[shawn]

Your grammar skills have missed the point. The infamous "or" makes both sides of it valid if it applies.

Lets but a pin in this for second

And I Quote (read 167 above):

You mean this one?

17. Subject to sections 19 and 20, a prohibited firearm or restricted firearm, the holder of the registration certificate for which is an individual, may be possessed only at the dwelling-house of the individual, as recorded in the Canadian Firearms Registry, or at a place authorized by a chief firearms officer.

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/f-11.6/page-6.html#h-11

Now let go back to this:

Your grammar skills have missed the point. The infamous "or" makes both sides of it valid if it applies.

Not how it possess only and not only possess?

Possessed only = you can posses it in the following listed locations
Only possessed= all you can do is possess it in the following locations

You might want to actually know your grammar skills before trying to bust others on them

It doesn't have to say you can not discharge it as it say you can only possess it at the dwelling.

No it says the only place I can posses are my dwelling and a place authorized not that possessing is all I can do there.

But for the sake of argument and to yet again show how wrong you are lets say you are correct. So that section say the only thing I can do is possess a the two loctions listed, my dwelling and a place authorized by the CFO. Great!

I get my shiny new ATT grab my gun and go the the range that the CFO has authorized. I get there and damn, section 17 says I can only posses it here not fire it. So what section exempts me from section 17 when I get to a range?

You cant have it both ways either what the section says applies to both location or it doesn't, you cant cherry pick it to say what you want.

Last post guys.

That might be best

Shawn

 

[shawn]

Shawn if you won't listen to the RCMP website which I'm sure was consulted by with the CFO 'S and Lawyers before publishing, nothing I can say to you will change your mind. I've been clear enough.

You mean the same website that said it was illegal to transport a non restricted firearms without a trigger lock or the same website that says this at the bottom of the very page you posted?

This fact sheet is intended to provide general information only. For legal references, please refer to the Criminal Code and the Firearms Act and their corresponding regulations. Provincial, territorial and municipal laws, regulations and policies may also apply.

Yeah I will rely on that LOL

Shawn

 

[Paul_1982]

You mean the website that quotes this for transport?

Transporting Firearms Safely

Non-restricted firearms

Non-restricted firearms must be unloaded during transportation.

Restricted and prohibited firearms

Unload the firearms; and
Attach secure locking devices to the firearms; and
Lock the firearms in a sturdy, non-transparent container; and
Remove the bolts or bolt carriers from any automatic firearms (if removable).
Obtain an Authorization to Transport (call 1-800-731-4000).

Seems accurate to me. If it previously said otherwise obviously the error was corrected.

So if they are wrong on the other issue, why not have the NFA or CSSA fix it? A simple phone call should clear it up no?

 

[shawn]

You mean the website that quotes this for transport?

Seems accurate to me. If it previously said otherwise obviously the error was corrected.

You are correct they fixed, it was only one example of many misleading things they put up on their website over the years

So if they are wrong on the other issue, why not have the NFA or CSSA fix it? A simple phone call should clear it up no?

Because it is not the law and is irrelevant.

Shawn

 

[Paul_1982]

Irrelevant? Then the RCMP should stop counseling those who may not have the benefit of reading your posts no?

The officers arriving at your home are being told this....

A simple phone call should point out their error?

 

[Paul_1982]

I'm sure CFO ' S want accurate info on the RCMP site too, call or email one they can do the leg work.

 

[shawn]

Irrelevant? Then the RCMP should stop counseling those who may not have the benefit of reading your posts no?

They are not counseling anyone they tell you right on the page that if you want the law go to the act

The officers arriving at your home are being told this....

So you think they train police officers on the law using the RCMP website or do you think that just maybe they use the actual acts?

A simple phone call should point out their error?

Don't care enough to do it, if you do fill your boots. If people are dumb enough to make legal decisions off of a website the point blank tells them that if they want the law to look else where, and then think that it will save them in court that is on them. You have the right to make stupid decisions.

Shawn

 

[shawn]

I'm sure CFO ' S want accurate info on the RCMP site too, call or email one they can do the leg work.

LOL sure they do LOL

Just like they like to follow court orders and do what its says in the firearms act.

Shawn

 

[Paul_1982]

You really think if the RCMP are putting this up on their website that they aren't training their officers with the same info?

They are the ones showing up at your door and calling the CFO.

I won't make the call because their information is accurate.

 

[shawn]

You really think if the RCMP are putting this up on their website that they aren't training their officers with the same info?

Yes, I know for a fact they are taught using the applicable acts of parliament and not what is on the website.

I won't make the call because their information is accurate.

Just like you think that the section for transfers, renewals, and ATT apply when you are not renewing, transferring or transporting LOL LOL LOL

We have already established you have no idea what your talking about.

Shawn

 

[Paul_1982]

Sigh

Ok I submit to your superiority.

The sections of law can ONLY apply to what the heading says, even when referenced in sections dealing with other issues. Making said reference null and void and a waste of ink since section 28 can only deal with transfers, why would they be silly enough to reference it when dealing with renewals and Revocation, waste of ink!

 

[Paul_1982]

Just like you think that the section for transfers, renewals, and ATT apply when you are not renewing, transferring or transporting LOL LOL LOL

Wait. I just caught this. So you agree that section 28 does apply when renewing?

 

[Halger280HVMag]

Maybe some of the problem lies in the individual interpretation of the written words.

17. Subject to sections 19 and 20, a prohibited
firearm or restricted firearm, the holder of
the registration certificate for which is an individual,
may be possessed only at the dwelling house
of the individual, as recorded in the
Canadian Firearms Registry, or at a place authorized
by a chief firearms officer.

Some take it as meaning that the firearm, may only be possessed at the dwelling house.

may be possessed only at the dwelling house

Others take as meaning that it may be possessed only at the dwelling house.

may be possessed only at the dwelling house

I believe that this means that I may possess and use lawfully my registered restricted (and prohibited) firearms, at my dwelling house.
Cleaning a firearm, or removing from storage to show the firearm, constitutes use in my view.
BTW, firing a gun to check function and accuracy, is not the same as target shooting.

The ATT or in the case of the SAP for some prohibiteds. Expands the areas where I may Lawfully possess and use these same firearms.

In my opinion Eh!

 

[Paul_1982]

There's this as well:

www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/target_cible-eng.htm

 

[shawn]

The sections of law can ONLY apply to what the heading says,

Nope, the heading has no legal weight. The wording in the specific section does.

Making said reference null and void and a waste of ink since section 28 can only deal with transfers, why would they be silly enough to reference it when dealing with renewals and Revocation, waste of ink!

Sorry to break it to you but section 28 only deals with transfers and the other sections only deal with what they say.

Wait. I just caught this. So you agree that section 28 does apply when renewing?

Nope

I agree that section 28 applies to transfers. You cant even keep straight what the sections you are using to support your made up laws say.

Shawn

 

[shawn]

There's this as well:

www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/target_cible-eng.htm

Your ability to read and understand what the law says would be hilarious if not for the fact you are trying to tell people what the law is

Maybe if I make in really big, would that work?

If I shoot in my basement:

I AM NOT RENEWING MY PAL
I AM NOT TRANSFERRING A FIREARM
I AM NOT TRANSPORTING A FIREARM

LOL

Shawn

 

[Paul_1982]

Transporting and using prohibited firearms or restricted firearms

19. (1) An individual who holds a licence authorizing the individual to possess prohibited firearms or restricted firearms may be authorized to transport a particular prohibited firearm or restricted firearm between two or more specified places for any good and sufficient reason, including, without restricting the generality of the foregoing,
(a) for use in target practice, or a target shooting competition, under specified conditions or under the auspices of a shooting club or shooting range that is approved under section 29;
(a.1) to provide instructions in the use of firearms as part of a restricted firearms safety course that is approved by the federal Minister; or
(b) if the individual
(i) changes residence,
(ii) wishes to transport the firearm to a peace officer, firearms officer or chief firearms officer for registration or disposal in accordance with this Act or Part III of the Criminal Code,
(iii) wishes to transport the firearm for repair, storage, sale, exportation or appraisal, or
(iv) wishes to transport the firearm to a gun show.

www.loc.gov/law/help/firearms-control/canada.php#t25

The above is an American interpretation that sites the above section for limited use of a restricted firearm.

 

[Paul_1982]

Your ability to read and understand what the law says would be hilarious if not for the fact you are trying to tell people what the law is

Maybe if I make in really big, would that work?

If I shoot in my basement:

I AM NOT RENEWING MY PAL
I AM NOT TRANSFERRING A FIREARM
I AM NOT TRANSPORTING A FIREARM

LOL

Shawn

You are correct. You are not.

However..... you are using the firearm for target practice outside the parameters of section 28.

So one of three things will happen, obviously assuming the authorities are aware of your activities.

1. The CFO will warm you and tell you to comply with section 28 at the time of renewal.

2. The CFO will notify the Registrar that the target practice falls outside of the parameters of section 28, and therefore your registration certificates shall be revoked.

3. The CFO, when notified of the activities no matter when renewal is, will notify the Registrar. The Registrar will then decide to revoke immediately, as per section 71 (1)(a), considering the action shall be revoked at time of renewal, it stands to reason said Revocation can be conducted at any time using this section.

Revocation of registration certificate

71. (1) The Registrar
(a) may revoke a registration certificate for a prohibited firearm or a restricted firearm for any good and sufficient reason; and
(b) shall revoke a registration certificate for a firearm held by an individual where the Registrar is informed by a chief firearms officer under section 67 that the firearm is not being used for a purpose described in section 28.

 

[shawn]

www.loc.gov/law/help/firearms-control/canada.php#t25

The above is an American interpretation that sites the above section for limited use of a restricted firearm.

And it holds as much weight as your law fabrication. Zero

Not to mention if you actually read what they wrote, it agrees with me LOL

You are correct. You are not.

However..... you are using the firearm for target practice outside the parameters of section 28.

So one of three things will happen, obviously assuming the authorities are aware of your activities.

1. The CFO will warm you and tell you to comply with section 28 at the time of renewal.

2. The CFO will notify the Registrar that the target practice falls outside of the parameters of section 28, and therefore your registration certificates shall be revoked.

3. The CFO, when notified of the activities no matter when renewal is, will notify the Registrar. The Registrar will then decide to revoke immediately, as per section 71 (1)(a), considering the action shall be revoked at time of renewal, it stands to reason said Revocation can be conducted at any time using this section.

So I am correct that I am not transferring, renewing or transporting but the I still have to do everything as if I was transfering, renewing or transporting. LOL LOL LOL

Seriously do you guys even read this before you post up? You must lead a very hard life following every law ever written about every subject even if doing things that those laws do not regulate.

Do you wear blaze orange all year round too? Ever load more than 2 rounds in your shotgun? What about shoot after dark?

LOL

You just keep digging yourself in deeper

Shawn

 

[Paul_1982]

Nope, the heading has no legal weight. The wording in the specific section does.



Sorry to break it to you but section 28 only deals with transfers and the other sections only deal with what they say.



Nope

I agree that section 28 applies to transfers. You cant even keep straight what the sections you are using to support your made up laws say.

Shawn

I dont even know why I'm continuing with you... maybe because it's a day off, cold, and I'm bored.

Let's read section 67 together shall we?

Renewal

67. (1) A chief firearms officer may renew a licence, authorization to carry or authorization to transport in the prescribed manner.
Marginal note:Restricted firearms and pre-December 1, 1998 handguns

(2) On renewing a licence authorizing an individual to possess restricted firearms or handguns referred to in subsection 12(6.1) (pre-December 1, 1998 handguns), a chief firearms officer shall decide whether any of those firearms or handguns that the individual possesses are being used for a purpose described in section 28

So at RENEWAL, the CFO shall decide if any restricted firearms you possess are being used for a purpose in section 28.

But how can that be? Section 28 only deals with transfers right? No, because the purposes listed in section 28 are ALSO now valid at renewal.

If you can't comprehend this then we are done.