I though Tavors were "inaccurate"

it seems to me a lot of people don't understand that OP isn't bragging about HIS accuracy. he's talking about the RIFLE's potential accuracy this is why he called flyer, and in my mind that is acceptable. After all he is looking for the grouping ability of the rifle itself, thus it makes sense to remove all human factors does it not? now yes a single group is no indication, however i'm getting real sick of people coming onto such threads talking about a RIFLE's accuracy and claiming BS on groups with called flyers based on human error, as if somehow that human error is the mechanical object's fault.

it's like people always bashing bullpups as having bad accuracy, yet i'm sure if you removed all human interaction with the rifles (ie. mounted to a rock solid stand of some sort and fired multiple groups) they'd group as well as any rifle of similar mechanical design. for instance tilting block vs tilting block, rotating bolt DI vs rotating bolt DI, rotating bolt piston vs rotating bolt piston, Same barrel length, fired from the same distance measured from the muzzle, should produce the same groups. Nothing about a bullpup is different from a standard configuration rifle beyond where it interacts with the user such as triggers and linkage, and overall length. Thus logically the only factor remaining is the human. So bullpups, as a broad concept, are not innacurate, YOU are innacurate WITH bullpups.
 
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Nothing about a bullpup is different from a standard configuration rifle beyond where it interacts with the user such as triggers and linkage, and overall length. Thus logically the only factor remaining is the human. So bullpups, as a broad concept, are not innacurate, YOU are innacurate WITH bullpups.[/QUOTE]

BINGO!!!
 
That is a NICE group, Alberta Woodsman!

I love my Tavor. It is my most accurate rifle, and that includes 2 other .223 S/A, and several bolt and lever guns. I can't wait for decent shooting weather, and am reading the armorer's manual in the meantime. I thought the trigger was fine, and I agree with you: no reason to bash these rifles. Unless of course you're jealous and don't own one ...
 
mikethebike said:
Its just the Tavor, people love to hate on it, i know this personally. I posted pictures of targets of about 30 groups on different ammo, with 4 groups on vmax average of 1.7 moa, was called a liar and all sorts of insulting nonsense, after a while you just don't read comments like that anymore and you just pay attention to about 3 dozen people here on this forum that know what they are talking about.
.... the absurdity of people here is astounding.
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I don't think people called you a liar. You posted some half-baked results to some accuracy claims for this model of rifle and informed shooters with experience with the platform called you on your hypothesis.
If you think something is better than it really is based on your ego- inflating post, have at 'er.
The problem I have is some poor looser reading your post might buy it hook-line-and-sinker, and run out and sink $3k into one thinking it might just deliver the experience they are looking for.
You never did follow up with further test results btw. Just saying....
 
beltfed said:
I don't think people called you a liar. You posted some half-baked results to some accuracy claims for this model of rifle and informed shooters with experience with the platform called you on your hypothesis.
If you think something is better than it really is based on your ego- inflating post, have at 'er.
The problem I have is some poor looser reading your post might buy it hook-line-and-sinker, and run out and sink $3k into one thinking it might just deliver the experience they are looking for.
You never did follow up with further test results btw. Just saying....
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its coming up http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...iew-(part-2)?highlight=tavor+ammo+review+part
Been grabbing all different sorts
 
Alberta Woodsman said:
Mike have you tried any of the new upgrade triggers in your Tavor?
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I had a timney but it broke apart after the first shot, sent it back, got a refund and never bothered again.

I find if I really take my time and control my breathing and posture and really concentrate on my trigger I can pull off some pretty good shots, but yes its very tiring and after a day at the range I am completely exhausted, I dont do this for a living so I get tired/back pain for 2 to 3 days after doing that.

Funny thing is my wife really loves the heavy trigger on the Tavor as opposed to my 3 pound on my AR, but could be because she learned how to shoot on a g3.

Dilli has a TAV-D, TVPP has a bunch of them, not sure if he did a field review on each though, not sure who has the geisele sabra.
 
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I have the Geissele now, its awesome. I tried TVPP's Timney, it was good but not only did I have a hard time learning the breaking point since it was a single stage, but in the 200 rounds I used it for it mag dumped on its own 2x.

TV-PP just got his Timney back from rebuild at Timney a few days ago, so hopefully its fixed. I still find the Timney single stage gross... just my opinion.
 
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