I though Tavors were "inaccurate"

I thought the Tavors were coming with better triggers out of the box now ..... ?

Yup... but its kind of a mute point. Old triggers were 12lbs but the extra return spring could be removed giving a final pull of about 8lbs.

The Gen 2.5 triggers have a revised design that excludes the trigger return spring has pull of approx. 8lbs...
 
Yup... but its kind of a mute point. Old triggers were 12lbs but the extra return spring could be removed giving a final pull of about 8lbs.

The Gen 2.5 triggers have a revised design that excludes the trigger return spring has pull of approx. 8lbs...

mine only has a single spring thats sorta below the hammer in the center of the trigger block. it might be 8lbs. nut im pretty sure my rifle is a gen 2.
 
I concentrate quite a bit when squeezing the trigger. I can get it to the point just before it fires, maybe this is one reason I am getting decent groups?

One five shot group with the worst shot removed does not make for good group(s), no matter how small the remaining four shots are.

Like Bobbum Man stated earlier, place a new target over top of a duplicate target underneath and shoot your groups (five round groups minimum). Then replace that top target after every five+ shot group has been completed and you will quickly realize from the underlying target that your once "four shot group sub MOA rifle" is now a 2"+ MOA rifle after 50+Rds. have been fired.

Cheers D
 
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Everyone is different, that group is from a leadsled. Take away that and it will open up to a 1.5-2" group for me. Resting on something anyways.

So you weren't actually doing the shooting with this "one time four shot sub .5 MOA group", the sled was (did I miss a post or something?). So how can you talk about calling a flyer from a lead sled? Am I missing something (I've never used a lead sled before, what gives?).
 
So you weren't actually doing the shooting with this "one time four shot sub .5 MOA group", the sled was (did I miss a post or something?). So how can you talk about calling a flyer from a lead sled? Am I missing something (I've never used a lead sled before, what gives?).

It's still possible to pull a shot with a led sled, mine isn't an actually one but a off brand type.
 
Do you consider using a lead sled to be you the one actually doing the shooting?

Considering this post was never ment to be serious in the first place I have caught quite a bit of flak for it. IM not sure what you ment by this? I donot always use a led sled, only with testing some loads and sighting in. Also besides that I rarely shoot groups because most of my guns are for hunting.
 
Considering this post was never ment to be serious in the first place I have caught quite a bit of flak for it. IM not sure what you ment by this? I donot always use a led sled, only with testing some loads and sighting in. Also besides that I rarely shoot groups because most of my guns are for hunting.


Sorry I didn't realize this thread was supposed to be a non-serious thread whatever that is as you've seemed to portray someone making serious references, however if your thread was to be nothing more then a joke (as we all know sarcasm is sometimes hard to recognize via text) I would say you achieved your goal.

All I recognized was someone claiming to have made a four shot group (which seemed to really be a five shot group, since removing the shot(s) we do not like doesn't really count) at sub .5 MOA with a Tavor no less from (from an assumed rest) a 100yds. in their own back yard (did you measure it accurately or just pace/guess the distance?).

Then on other posts it comes to be that you do state it's you making the shot of a 1/2" group as; "If I could shoot 1/2" groups I would but I can't. I mean once in awhile like the other day I can but nominally no I can't."
So do you consider it is you making a shot while the sled type contraption you have holds the rifle? Because in another post you state "Everyone is different, that group is from a leadsled. Take away that and it will open up to 1.5-2" group for me resting on something anyways."

So when do you consider it is you actually making the shot (with a sled or without? as you have claimed it to be you on both occasions) or do you not find any difference in claiming to make .5 MOA groups while you admit to not really being able to shoot better then about 2" MOA, which when actually put to the test of multiple five round or ten round groups would most likely average 4"+ MOA or greater groups.


Regardless I'm sure you've learned a little about posting what seems to me anyways to be misleading information here in the Black rifle forums of Gunnutz.

It's not that I'm wanting to give you a hard time, it's just accurate, honest information is what we all need here to be able to inform ourselves correctly on the topic as it's particularly important to get accurate facts when spending close to $3,000.00 (with taxes in BC) on a rifle like the much loved Tavor.

Cheers D
 
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Oh man, zeroed. That's a good read. Now I'll see if I can add some clearity. First my range is very accurately marked off. Within half a yard of 100yds to the end of the barrel. Now about the seriousness, yes I know that it is not a group well aparently not to you guys anyways, I just wanted to post it to show that decent accuracy is possible. Now about the leadsled/me, all I was saying is the ledsled improves my accuracy WITH THAT SPECIFIC RIFLE, with out using the led sled It is a 2-3moa rifle in MY hands. I can achieve moa not using the led sled with a decent number of my rifles, no I am not going to try to prove myself.

Yes my posts are confusing, forgive me as I am still a youth and I am learning.
Now I shall go add a bit to the first post.

You sure do like to pick a fella apart.

Woodsman
 
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Oh man, zeroed. That's a good read. Now I'll see if I can add some clearity. First my range is very accurately marked off. Within half a yard of 100yds to the end of the barrel. Now about the seriousness, yes I know that it is not a group well aparently not to you guys anyways, I just wanted to post it to show that decent accuracy is possible. Now about the leadsled/me, all I was saying is the ledsled improves my accuracy WITH THAT SPECIFIC RIFLE, with out using the led sled It is a 2-3moa rifle in MY hands. I can achieve moa not using the led sled with a decent number of my rifles, no I am not going to try to prove myself.

Yes my posts are confusing, forgive me as I am still a youth and I am learning.
Now I shall go add a bit to the first post.

You sure do like to pick a fella apart.

Woodsman

I'm more confused about this thread after reading this response from the OP. Except for the 100 yard range marker.
You made a sled for this specific rifle?
 
Using a lead sled, Ransom machine rest, et al proves the accuracy potential of your rifle/pistol/load minus the human factor.

What matters more to me is what they can do in my hands, particularly in the field. The rest is of academic interest only.
 
Using a lead sled, Ransom machine rest, et al proves the accuracy potential of your rifle/pistol/load minus the human factor.

What matters more to me is what they can do in my hands, particularly in the field. The rest is of academic interest only.

I agree with this, but a lead slead is usefull in determining what part of the system is at fault for accuracy problems. It should help end this debate of how accurate/inaccurate this rifle is.

Then once the rifle and ammo combination has proven accurate, you can work on your skill set a s a shooter and you know when you miss your at fault. Not the rifle.
 
Even being the OP I'm confused. I don't know why I was the one who was picked to be torn apart like a bunch of wolves on a deer.

No I did not make a specific sled. Mine just happened to work

Its just the Tavor, people love to hate on it, i know this personally. I posted pictures of targets of about 30 groups on different ammo, with 4 groups on vmax average of 1.7 moa, was called a liar and all sorts of insulting nonsense, after a while you just don't read comments like that anymore and you just pay attention to about 3 dozen people here on this forum that know what they are talking about.

They shoot low budget questionable quality chinese crap ammo get 4 to 6 moa and think thats it, thats the rifle, then they shoot sierra match kings out of their AR get 1 moa and compare the both and say the tavor is crap, the absurdity of people here is astounding.

People have to understand that you need to remove the shooter variable when doing a ladder test or accuracy potential of a rifle, Im a 4 moa shooter off hand, thats it, no matter how good a rifle is, if I shoot it offhand ill get at most 4 moa. Bench resting and nestling it in sandbags removes that failure on me on the rifle and limits my influence on the rifle's potential. The rest is barrel/ammo compatibility. Every barrel is different, every ammo type is different, wild variances can be expected between each barrel and each ammo.
 
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Its just the Tavor, people love to hate on it, i know this personally. I posted pictures of targets of about 30 groups on different ammo, with 4 groups on vmax average of 1.7 moa, was called a liar and all sorts of insulting nonsense, after a while you just don't read comments like that anymore and you just pay attention to about 3 dozen people here on this forum that know what they are talking about.

They shoot low budget questionable quality chinese crap ammo get 4 to 6 moa and think thats it, thats the rifle, then they shoot sierra match kings out of their AR get 1 moa and compare the both and say the tavor is crap, the absurdity of people here is astounding.

People have to understand that you need to remove the shooter variable when doing a ladder test or accuracy potential of a rifle, Im a 4 moa shooter off hand, thats it, no matter how good a rifle is, if I shoot it offhand ill get at most 4 moa. Bench resting and nestling it in sandbags removes that failure on me on the rifle and limits my influence on the rifle's potential. The rest is barrel/ammo compatibility. Every barrel is different, every ammo type is different, wild variances can be expected between each barrel and each ammo.

I do believe you hit the nail right in the head. Now this is kinda what I was trying to say but a lot simpler to read and understand.

Mike do you know where I could pick up a rail that goes on the forend to attach a verticle grip to? I saw some somewhere but I can't remember where
 
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