The .308 debate. What would you get?

driller212 said:
I apologize, I did not mean to offend. I simply stated my reasons for not getting the modern hunter. I can't afford it at the moment, and would like to get one in the future. I appreciate your hard work and thought that went into the design. I have no doubt that it will be a popular rifle (if it isn't already!). My purchase came down to getting a used semi affordable (for Canada's standards) rifle that can be used for hunting, tactical style shooting, and some precision shooting at moderate ranges below 800yds.

I appreciate you defending your baby, but this is a thread on what rifle you bought or would buy and why. I am simply stating my opinion and my reasons for my purchase. Parts for Robinson rifles are available right now which means I can service it should something happen. Again I appreciate that your rifle can accept parts from ars so that should your company stop producing it, that it can still be serviced. Some people just cannot afford to buy a new rifle that fills the niches I stated above and still buy a decent optic to mount as well. I have waited years for the price of some used hunting cal black rifles to come down to the point where I can afford them.

I hope you can see where I am coming from. I am not saying your rifle is a rip off, it is simply out of my price range right now.

Again I love the idea and can't wait to see what your rifles can do!

Regards,

Driller
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This is a much kinder post than I would have responded with. Sure, trying to convince someone of buying your product is just salesmanship, but insulting someone's decision after they bought another product is no bueno.
 
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BenL said:
The folks in Australia just may have a different opinion of that...
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I hear you loud and clear BenL, but thinking negatively nas never served me well.

What I'm counting on is our Canadian gun culture/numbers of enthusiasts being significantly stronger/greater then Australia's is/was.


Cheers D
 
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driller212 said:
I bought an XCR-M today, really it was to prevent me from getting the Hunter (because it costs more than a grand more than I paid).
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Hey Driller212 where were you able to pickup a new XCR-M (in .308) for $2,100 or perhaps you bought used?

I see the price of a new basic ATRS MH .308 rifle a few hundred dollars more then a new basic .308 XCR-M rifle.

Did you give the FNAR in .308 any thought before this latest purchase and if so what turned you off that accurate rifle that is available new for a $1,000 less then a ATRS MH in .308.

Cheers D
 
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yuhaoyang said:
This is a much kinder post than I would have responded with. Sure, trying to convince someone of buying your product is just salesmanship, but insulting someone's decision after they bought another product is no bueno.
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I don't see it as ATRS trying to state anything but the facts relating to these two rifles when it comes to parts availability.

I didn't read any thing that was leaning toward trying to convince anyone, nor any insulting words; just the facts.

Cheers D
 
I don't believe atrs was being insulting either, but your response was that of a gentleman. In my opinion the only scenario where an xcr should be bought over a mh is if that person cant afford the mh and they get a smoking good deal on a used xcr. If the price difference is less than 1000 scrape up the extra and go with the mh. Now if only atrs can hurry and get the first batch of rifles out so we can see what it can do :)
 
driller212 said:
I apologize, I did not mean to offend. I simply stated my reasons for not getting the modern hunter. I can't afford it at the moment, and would like to get one in the future. I appreciate your hard work and thought that went into the design. I have no doubt that it will be a popular rifle (if it isn't already!). My purchase came down to getting a used semi affordable (for Canada's standards) rifle that can be used for hunting, tactical style shooting, and some precision shooting at moderate ranges below 800yds.

I appreciate you defending your baby, but this is a thread on what rifle you bought or would buy and why. I am simply stating my opinion and my reasons for my purchase. Parts for Robinson rifles are available right now which means I can service it should something happen. Again I appreciate that your rifle can accept parts from ars so that should your company stop producing it, that it can still be serviced. Some people just cannot afford to buy a new rifle that fills the niches I stated above and still buy a decent optic to mount as well. I have waited years for the price of some used hunting cal black rifles to come down to the point where I can afford them.

I hope you can see where I am coming from. I am not saying your rifle is a rip off, it is simply out of my price range right now.

Again I love the idea and can't wait to see what your rifles can do!

Regards,

Driller
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No need to apologize at all, and certainly no offense was taken or intended in any way. I simply wanted to point out the fact that although our upper and lower are proprietary most other parts are not so are readily available should a person ever need replacement parts. Many would assume that our rifle is all built of proprietary parts, so I wanted to set the record straight in that assumption.

I am fully aware and can appreciate that our rifles are not within everyone's budget. These are the joys of building a rifle for a small market, with the highest quality parts available.

My concern with any rifle or product for that matter is when a single source is being relied upon for parts or service. This is part of the reason we have not jumped onto the piston drive system for ARs, over the last 5 years I have seen at least 30 different companies who made "the best" piston system upgrades disappear from the industry. Today only a very few still exist. Given that all of the operating parts in an XCR are proprietary to a small company would concern me.

I have heard that the newer XCRs seem to be more reliable than the earlier Robinson products were and truly hope you are satisfied with your purchase.
 
Just get a BAR Short Trac in .308 Win
As accurate or more than any of those at a around $1200 MSR.
Then you buy a couple mags and a hell of a lot more ammo and you still have enough money left over to pay an Ontario Hydro bill.
All that and it's 100% non restricted!
 
mikethebike said:
Its actually a very very good thing that your upper and lower are proprietary, I cant understand why people here don't get that!
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I'm pretty sure everyone gets it. If it wasn't proprietary, he would've had one hell of a time getting NR status on the gun.

It sounds like they did a good job developing this rifle. I'm very curious which parts are interchangeable with which guns. I'm sure it's mostly the small stuff, but if they're wear items (like most of the innards tend to be) then it will be good to know what fits and what doesn't.
 
BenL said:
What has been your accuracy results with it?

- Match ammo / handloads

- bipod or benchrest test
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Just mounted the rail with a 1-4x scope as well as the factory bipod. Loaded up different variations of ammo and am hoping to go out this weekend and see what kind of MOA it is capable of producing. Will keep you posted
 
Brian46 said:
I looked at one the other day, unfortunately it is like comparing a German made VW to the ones made in mexico but without any of the savings.
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It is more like comparing a loaded Mercedes to my bare bones Jetta TDI with no price difference between the two.
 
If a 542 can equal the performance of a NM M1A, 1.5 MOA with factory ammo, i will be impress, i like the comparaison of the German Jetta made in Mexico... Time will tell... JP.
 
alberta tactical rifle said:
No need to apologize at all, and certainly no offense was taken or intended in any way. I simply wanted to point out the fact that although our upper and lower are proprietary most other parts are not so are readily available should a person ever need replacement parts. Many would assume that our rifle is all built of proprietary parts, so I wanted to set the record straight in that assumption.

I am fully aware and can appreciate that our rifles are not within everyone's budget. These are the joys of building a rifle for a small market, with the highest quality parts available.

My concern with any rifle or product for that matter is when a single source is being relied upon for parts or service. This is part of the reason we have not jumped onto the piston drive system for ARs, over the last 5 years I have seen at least 30 different companies who made "the best" piston system upgrades disappear from the industry. Today only a very few still exist. Given that all of the operating parts in an XCR are proprietary to a small company would concern me.

I have heard that the newer XCRs seem to be more reliable than the earlier Robinson products were and truly hope you are satisfied with your purchase.
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Thanks for the reply. Again, I appreciate your design and look forward to seeing it out and about, and what kind of groups it can produce! Hopefully I will be able to get one in the not too distant future.

I look forward to seeing what the M can do with a good optic. So far I am enjoying it! I think the XCRs will be around for a little while at least, but who knows.

Zeroed-In said:
Hey Driller212 where were you able to pickup a new XCR-M (in .308) for $2,100 or perhaps you bought used?

I see the price of a new basic ATRS MH .308 rifle a few hundred dollars more then a new basic .308 XCR-M rifle.

Did you give the FNAR in .308 any thought before this latest purchase and if so what turned you off that accurate rifle that is available new for a $1,000 less then a ATRS MH in .308.

Cheers D
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Yea I got a good deal on the XCR-M with some accessories. I did consider the FNAR, but sometimes looks can turn you away. I know it is an amazingly accurate semi auto rifle, but I was drawn to a more "tacticool" looking rifle. I am usually drawn more to function over form, but I couldn't help myself. Call me shallow :p
 
driller212 said:
Thanks for the reply. Again, I appreciate your design and look forward to seeing it out and about, and what kind of groups it can produce! Hopefully I will be able to get one in the not too distant future.

I look forward to seeing what the M can do with a good optic. So far I am enjoying it! I think the XCRs will be around for a little while at least, but who knows.
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I think you are probably quite safe with Robinson remaining around for a while. We used to think we were covered by purchasing Colt, but as recently demonstrated, ANY of us manufacturers can make a few bad business decisions that are suddenly turn our guns into collector items.

Keep the XCR tightened up, clean, feed it decent ammo and have fun with it!!
 
driller212 said:
I did consider the FNAR, but sometimes looks can turn you away. I know it is an amazingly accurate semi auto rifle, but I was drawn to a more "tacticool" looking rifle. I am usually drawn more to function over form, but I couldn't help myself. Call me shallow :p
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Not shallow at all, "a man's gotta know his limits.";)
Speaking of limits I've finally come to realize mine. It doesn't matter how functional a firearm is, if I don't enjoy it's form (and this lesson cost me a few hard earned dollars on resales before I finally conceded) it will most likely always be an issue of ownership and the end result will be a short lived stay in the old safe.

I think it's true for everyone (with differing degrees of course) as it's hard to like what doesn't look cool...


Now back to a NR .308 semi., I passed on the FNAR because of it's somewhat complicated strip-down procedure and no Canadian legal 10Rd. capacity mag.'s.

The more I think about a .308 semi. that's NR, the more I dream of an ATRS MH.

I tell myself what's another $1,000+ in the big scheme of things and then my thoughts turn to the part where I tell the wife I just spent $3,500+ (basic MH taxes in) on a rifle w/o optics and the only optics worthy of this rifle are another $1,000+ easy...

Lord what have these Gunnutz done to me...

Cheers D
 
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