Canada Post Love-Hate and All Things "Shipping" Thread

bush1 said:
Please remind me never to have any dealings with you. I would rather deal with someone that would work with me to solve the problem that have to deal with some clown that only wants to go the court route.......
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rofl You seem to have missed the fact that, in the situation I was responding to, the seller has received reimbursement from the insurance but hasn't reimbursed the buyer and the buyer is implying that there is no more communications from the seller.

But hey, go on calling me names as if that meant anything to me. You're clearly the one who jumps to conclusions and I'd rather deal with people who don't cause problems in the first place.

GMC403 said:
Your advise leads me to believe that you are either a Defense Lawyer, or sit around and watch too much Judge Judy.
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So you agree I have more legal knowledge than you. Thank you.

You can make up whatever fantasy you wish, the legal aspect is clear and is as I described. When you order something from a vendor which offers multiple methods of shipping and you get the item all smashed up do you just chalk it up as your responsibility or do you demand that the vendor either reimburse you or send you an item that's not all smashed up? Again, unless it's specifically waived in writing it's the seller's responsibility to ensure the buyer receives the goods in the state advertised.

If YOU want YOUR responsibility to be insured then make sure you include the price of insurance in your advertised price. It's really not that complicated.
 
Gimli said:
So you agree I have more legal knowledge than you. Thank you.

You can make up whatever fantasy you wish, the legal aspect is clear and is as I described. When you order something from a vendor which offers multiple methods of shipping and you get the item all smashed up do you just chalk it up as your responsibility or do you demand that the vendor either reimburse you or send you an item that's not all smashed up? Again, unless it's specifically waived in writing it's the seller's responsibility to ensure the buyer receives the goods in the state advertised.

If YOU want YOUR responsibility to be insured then make sure you include the price of insurance in your advertised price. It's really not that complicated.
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No thanks given, sorry you read it that way

If ***I*** refuse to properly insure something I purchased from a vendor I fail to see how that's the Vendors fault.
But maybe that's my foolish old world thinking..... You know, being accountable for your own actions.

But you are correct about one thing......... It really isn't that complicated
My "Fantasy" is dealing amicably with people.
 
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One thing that always gets me is seller's including shipping and stating that insurance is extra. Really? I just paid you your asking price of $1500 and you want to save $30 by shipping it uninsured?
The one thing I wish CP would do is not include the price paid for insurance on the parcel label/sticker. Lots of delivery drivers in rural areas are not CP employees and it doesn't take a wizard to figure out that something being shipped expedited parcel with a sticker of $100 is probably an expensive item insured for a few thousand. There have been numerous instances of stuff disappearing. It often turns up, but usually not until months later at the driver's residence.
 
GMC403 said:
No,
If the Buyer agrees that shipping the item via CP is acceptable and insurance is NOT required, then that in itself would waive any legal obligation the Seller has because it was sent via the Buyers terms.
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I do not believe Gimli is suggesting litigation is the route to go, or that that is how he would proceed... but I do believe that he is correct on his assessment of responsibility.

When I have had problems with products that I shipped, I made it right with the buyer... when I have had problems with an item sent to me, the seller has made it right with me... this is the proper division of responsibility... fair payment by a buyer should result in the product "as described" delivered into their possession... the responsibility for getting it to them is with the seller, not the buyer... further, when you insure a package, it is the shipper who is being insured, not the receiver. Ergo a buyer can refuse insurance, but the seller needs to consider the risk to himself by shipping uninsured.
 
hoytcanon said:
I do not believe Gimli is suggesting litigation is the route to go, or that that is how he would proceed... but I do believe that he is correct on his assessment of responsibility.

When I have had problems with products that I shipped, I made it right with the buyer... when I have had problems with an item sent to me, the seller has made it right with me... this is the proper division of responsibility... fair payment by a buyer should result in the product "as described" delivered into their possession... the responsibility for getting it to them is with the seller, not the buyer... further, when you insure a package, it is the shipper who is being insured, not the receiver. Ergo a buyer can refuse insurance, but the seller needs to consider the risk to himself by shipping uninsured.
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Well stated.
 
I'll strongly disagree with the seller assuming risk if the buyer declines insurance. It is the buyers responsibility to send what they describe; however, with the introduction of a third party, further language to the basic contract is required. If the product is sold + shipping and the buyer doesn't want to pay for the insurance costs then they are waiving recourse if something happens in transit. If they think that they are reducing the selling price of the item by the cost of the insurance and still getting full coverage, this is incorrect. That being said, with the seller, having sufficient documentation, under the aforementioned scenario, to demonstrate that it got to the postal system is important too. A parcel "selfie" at the same time as the postal receipt should suffice. As for the seller having to deal with CP, they are the buyers agent and would be legally required to file claim on behalf of the buyer if this was the arrangement. CP doesn't typically have a contract with the buyer, just the seller. On the other hand, anything sold as "shipping included" is the sellers responsibility unless insurance is specifically listed as an option to the buyer.

hoytcanon said:
I do not believe Gimli is suggesting litigation is the route to go, or that that is how he would proceed... but I do believe that he is correct on his assessment of responsibility.

When I have had problems with products that I shipped, I made it right with the buyer... when I have had problems with an item sent to me, the seller has made it right with me... this is the proper division of responsibility... fair payment by a buyer should result in the product "as described" delivered into their possession... the responsibility for getting it to them is with the seller, not the buyer... further, when you insure a package, it is the shipper who is being insured, not the receiver. Ergo a buyer can refuse insurance, but the seller needs to consider the risk to himself by shipping uninsured.
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Wording matters.
"shipping included" means that the item and service are a bundled purchase, and the buyer doesn't take responsibility for the item until in his hands.
"shipping extra" means the item is sold as is/where is, and the product is the buyers responsibility as soon as paid for. Shipping is a separate contract to be negotiated.

My 2 pesos.
 
This is pretty much a tempest in a tea pot, and easy to avoid......Just refuse to ship anything uninsured.

If a buyer says he does not want to pay for insurance, it's easy to just say, "Sorry, but I will not ship it without insurance." If that is a deal-breaker for either party, so be it.

Ted
 
I received some fibre optic rods about a month ago from Hong Kong. 12 calendar days from the moment I hit the "Pay Now" tab on eBay to my front door. Yet it takes 2 weeks to ship from Ontario to BC.

Anyway, I got my refund in the mail last Friday, and according to Martini Gunmakers, my rifle arrived "unscathed". They also remarked how nice it was :)

So I guess I got slow but free shipping.
 
Long thread and will review but here is my situation.
I am inheriting my grandfathers Winchester 25-35 (good luck finding ammo) and it is with my dad in BC. We want to ship it here. Reading the laws essentially all we need to do is put it in a cardboard box with a trigger lock, and make sure that someone can sign for it on the receiving end. Is that it? Buddy bought a rifle from Cabela and they shipped it double boxed with the bolt out. Any recommendations?
 
Any parcel over a meter seems to add ten dollars to the bill.
I try and shorten the shooter up by removing the rear stock or
remove the action from the stock.
Wrap the thing up like a kookewn oar mummy and pack the shipping
box full of cruppled newspaper.
Take the movement out of the contents so the barrel doesn't do the
appearance trick.
I tape the whole box, then wrap in freezer paper and tape again.
Fruck'n thang should float by this time.

I then do up a couple mailing label and clear tape it to the parcel,
one on each side.
 
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rikkards said:
Long thread and will review but here is my situation.
I am inheriting my grandfathers Winchester 25-35 (good luck finding ammo) and it is with my dad in BC. We want to ship it here. Reading the laws essentially all we need to do is put it in a cardboard box with a trigger lock, and make sure that someone can sign for it on the receiving end. Is that it? Buddy bought a rifle from Cabela and they shipped it double boxed with the bolt out. Any recommendations?
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http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/244378-Canada-Post-Firearm-Mailing-Regulation

Rob
 
kamlooky said:
Any parcel over a meter seems to add ten dollars to the bill.
I try and shorten the shooter up by removing the rear stock or
remove the action from the stock.
Wrap the thing up like a kookewn oar mummy and pack the shipping
box full of cruppled newspaper.
Take the movement out of the contents so the barrel doesn't do the
appearance trick.
I tape the whole box, then wrap in freezer paper and tape again.
Fruck'n thang should float by this time.

I then do up a couple mailing label and clear tape it to the parcel,
one on each side.
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It's a pretty short lever action but passing that on to him thanks!
FLHTCUI said:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/244378-Canada-Post-Firearm-Mailing-Regulation

Rob
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I did a quick search and came across the link. Thanks though!
 
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