600-800m Semi Auto...whats out there

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Alright I am on a quest. I am on the hunt for a semi-auto precision rifle.

These are the specs that it must have;

- Semi-auto
I currently own several bolt guns that are more then capable. Just look at my 1200m for $1200-$1500 thread to see one example. I do hunt coyote sometimes and no mater how slick a bolt action is, it does take longer then an auto loader. Also I am looking for a spotter rifle for some competitions I would like to participate in.​

- Any Cal (I reload)
I don't want a caliber to restrict what I want in the end run. If a certain caliber meets all these requirments then it is what I want​

- sub MOA at 100m, maintain MOA to 600-800m
Any rifle can be made too shoot sub MOA at 100m (with enough time,money, and experience) it takes an even better rifle/shooter to keep that MOA too 600-800m. I am not going to fool myself, I know tons of people who can and do hit 1000m with an auto loader but I want to set my sights to realistic, then push the limits​

- Less then 10lbs with optics, bipod (ammo/mag not included)
This is the big one, that I am at least a little bit flexible on. I recently found the joy of light weight hunting rifles, so would like to set a goal for my precision rifles. I do most my long range shooting on private land that I must do some hiking to get too. Work makes me carry alot of heavy stuff for long periods of time, I don't want my weekends to include the same! Also in some competitions I would need to hike with it and gear for a fair distance. I want less and less of a reason to be huffing and puffing by the stand.​

- Non-restricted
This is a big one, because I'm shooting on private land I cannot have a restricted rifle. I know tons of restricted rifles that meet all but this requirement. I have owned a few. But this limits times and when I can shoot. Work takes up alot of my time, so throwing a bag and rifle on my back and heading to my shooting spot whenever I want is not possible with an AR type/restricted rifle. I also don't want to turn this into an"AR's should be non restricted" or "sign the petition and they will be soon enough" I am not holding my breath for that one and yes I did sign.​

- Under 2k (optics not included)
Here is the funny thing I have found, once you add "non" to "restricted" you can charge an extra $1000 simply because we will pay it. I don't include optics in this price as I can always use something from one of my bolt guns​


What I have tried;

-XCR-L (6.8,7.62,5.56. All heavy barrels)
I tried all the calibers, got some good results again a little heavy once good optics got on there (shy of 11lbs). Only problem I had with it was it wasn't consistent. I am pretty sure something needs to be done with that single bolt holding the barrel on. I have drawn up plans to kind of do a LMT style barrel retention system, but too scared to screw up something with that price tag. Brings me to another point, there was a time you could buy one used on here for 1600-1900 seems they are all bought up and only price tag is 2k+. A new one of course is over that. I was however impressed at how accurate you can get a 7.62x39 when you hand load. I have thought of also trying it again but doing a 6.5 grendel​

-XCR-M (308 heavy Barrel)
This was my hope full. It was a heavy bugger once I put a decent optic and bipod on it (12+lbs), could get easy sub MOA, but would always produce a flyer once it warmed up some. I think it has much to do with the same as the XCR-L in that its only one bolt holding that barrel on. It actually almost reminds me of a tension screw, and could see it causing interesting things to the harmonics of the barrel. Thats just my thoughts though.​

-M14
It sort of worked, was pretty heavy once I got optics on it even with a USGI composite stock. It did however meet most of my requirements, sold it though. That is probably why I started building another one using a douglas NM barrel. It again is heavy, in a walnut stock missing front flash hider and a bipod but with NF compact scope I am weighting in at 11.8lbs. I will see how it shoots sometime this week when it gets a little warmer (maybe I found it and didn't need to post;)).​


So whats out there boys and girls? Please post pics, weights and specs because I am sure I am not the only one out here longing for something under these specs ( tried a search and came up fairly short in answers though). Am I just asking too much? I do like the looks of the ATRS Modern Hunter, and with the right parts it will fall into the proper weight (even without a carbon barrel) but we are talking more money then I have even paid for a vehicle. Once I start hearing more personal reviews and results I am sure it will make its way into the rifle safe. The only other one that tickles my fancy that I can't find a single decent review on is the Browning Hog Stalker. I know it is a cheaper FN (makes price point then) and weight's about 9lbs dry. I have yet to try it, and only reviews I can find are with cheap ammo and a red dot/bushnell 3-9x $70 scope, or they only tried it to 100m. Has anyone seen these pushed past 100m, I know that 1-12 twist isn't going to like the heavies but should eat up a 168gr no problem. I just don't know

Now I did put this on the precision forum and not black rifle/battle rifle because that is what I am looking for a "precision semi-auto". I don't care how it looks just how it shoots and meets what I am looking for!
 
Realisticly you will need to allocate a lot me more money than you are now, your rifles to look at in no particular order LaRue, POF, KAC, Troy, H&K - maybe missing a couple but these are very strong contenders...

gadget
 
Have you compared the weight of the typical M1A walnut stock to a fiberglass stock or the aluminum one from M14.ca? You might save a bit of weight there, bringing the weight closer to your 10 lbs limit. Other than the ATRS modern hunter, I believe the M1A is your best bet. It's definitely capable of MOA accuracy out to 1000 yards... most of the time.

The 6.5 Grendel is a great 1000 yard cartridge. Better than the 6mm BR. :nest: Check out this article. http://www.6mmbr.com/65grendel.html. Once I shoot the barrel out on my 6ppc Sako Varminter, I will be rebarreling it to the 6.5 Grendel.

Good luck
 
LRB or SAI NM M14-type rifles come to mind but, sadly, they pass the $2K mark. HK SL8 may work price wise and it is the most accurate semi .223 I've owned but weight is questionable.
 
FNAR competition ? Cue Caramel...

Price point is high, that’s why wondering how much difference is in the Hog Stalker

The new ATRS Semi Auto Rifle?

Maybe one day it will be in the safe, need more personal reviews from regular people before forking out that doe

Realisticly you will need to allocate a lot me more money than you are now, your rifles to look at in no particular order LaRue, POF, KAC, Troy, H&K - maybe missing a couple but these are very strong contenders...

gadget

Great rifles, owned a few…… all restricted though!

Have you compared the weight of the typical M1A walnut stock to a fiberglass stock or the aluminum one from M14.ca? You might save a bit of weight there, bringing the weight closer to your 10 lbs limit. Other than the ATRS modern hunter, I believe the M1A is your best bet. It's definitely capable of MOA accuracy out to 1000 yards... most of the time.

The 6.5 Grendel is a great 1000 yard cartridge. Better than the 6mm BR. :nest: Check out this article. http://www.6mmbr.com/65grendel.html. Once I shoot the barrel out on my 6ppc Sako Varminter, I will be rebarreling it to the 6.5 Grendel.

Good luck

Ya that’s why I think I came back to this one. Not sure on weight defference time to plug away and Bing it up and compare
 
I have toyed with the HK sl8 idea though, anyone know one the accuracy plus of 200m. I know the 223 could do it for the range, just can the rifle?
swiss arms sniper if they become unprohibited again but you will not like the price, more than double the modern hunter.

There were only 10 rifles ever imported and a few conversion kits. Most accurate 223 I have ever shot, they came with a test target that was .5 MOA
 
I have shot with a gent who had an HK SL8. Loaded with 75gr amax we were plinking to 1000yds. Sub MOA, not a hope but large pizza box was a viable target at that range.

I think LR sub MOA in a non restricted semi is really hard to achieve. A rebarreled M305 might do it but you are investing alot of money. Krieger barrel and Promag stock, proper bedding and shimming, then well tuned ammo will get you along ways towards your goal.

An AR is easy as the Americans have that one dialed in with a variety of chamberings.

NR semi.. tough.

Jerry
 
I have shot with a gent who had an HK SL8. Loaded with 75gr amax we were plinking to 1000yds. Sub MOA, not a hope but large pizza box was a viable target at that range.
Minute of pizza box (MOP from now on) for a 223 auto loader seems very interesting and at a dry weight of 8.6lbs could go a long way. Has me wondering of the 6-800m accuracy then?!
This will fit most of your needs;
Keep an eye on the EE if you want lowest price. Once they approach the $2000 - $2200 they sell FAST.

I have thought about those too! Other then that video there I haven't heard much else when it comes to longer ranges +300m, that and I never seen one come close to 2k on EE yet, if they do they are going quicker then I can ever look! Most want close to original asking price.

Has anyone else pushed one farther?

This was my first thought too.
Then I thought; wait, did he try a cheek riser.
Op, throw a cheek riser on one them bad boys. 1000 yards for sure. :)
Try a cheek riser on….?.
If your speaking of my list, all had good cheeks welds, even tried a PRS on the XCRs
 
Ya I did actually get the chance to shoot one once! Slick!
Heck even a regular swiss arms would come close. Guys used to sell them for close to 2k way way back when. Hope things come around on that one!
2k for a sniper? never seen or I would have bought them all.

The alexander arms Ulfberht is another contender but I do not know how it shoots other than AA claims it to be under a MOA but it is 338 Lapua. Price is on par with what the swiss sniper was selling for prior to being prohib
 
This will fit most of your needs;


Keep an eye on the EE if you want lowest price. Once they approach the $2000 - $2200 they sell FAST.
I would try one for 2k or less. For the quality that is all they are really worth IMO. put it next to the same rifle made in germany and you will see the quality difference unless you are blind.
 
I have a SL8 . It will shoot sub moa @ 100m. I haven't had a chance to get longer range yet. I will find out soon as my wife and I purchased land. Check on black rifles forum and see if anyone has shot theirs at longer distance.
 
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